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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by Metric System Chris:
Originally posted by Corbett:
The Church makes it sacred and evil because the Bible says it is only to be between and man and woman who are married to each other. Case closed. Thats what the Bible says and that is what most churches go by. It specifically says multiple times in the Bible that sex is not to be done before marriage or outside of marriage. It is called fornication.
Show me some scripture. I dare ya'
Gal 5:19-20
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
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Eph 5:3-4
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;
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Col 3:5-6
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
NKJV
Back to those LETTERS, I see.
By the way, the word "Fornication" was created around the 14th century AD. I wonder what word they used centuries ago in the original texts? Go check out the origin of the word. Some biblical scholors believe the original word in The Texts are equivalent to "whoremongering" (Go check out the Original KJV with all the Ye's, Thou's, and Thee's, you can shake a stick at.)
Yes, it is good to question things.
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Originally posted by Metric System Chris:
Back to those LETTERS, I see.
By the way, the word "Fornication" was created around the 14th century AD. I wonder what word they used centuries ago in the original texts? Go check out the origin of the word. Some biblical scholors believe the original word in The Texts are equivalent to "whoremongering" (Go check out the Original KJV with all the Ye's, Thou's, and Thee's, you can shake a stick at.)
Yes, it is good to question things.
Actually I am quoting what the Bible says. You can tell me they are just letters but that just proves you dont believe in what the Bible says. Thats fine. I am not going to debate about it. You asked for scripture and I gave it to you.
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Sexually Transmitted Diseases are real. I know a few people who have died of aids. One of my sisters has Herpes and another one has Hepatitis. Those two sisters have sex with any men that wants them. STDs are real and they are out there. I've never had an STD but I'm very careful. One girl that I liked came and started talking to me. I like to find out what they are like so I usually invite them to a movie or somewhere. This girl told me she would be at a hotel and I could get in line if I wanted to. Those kinds of people are the ones that spread STDs. There were a lot of men in line from what I heard.
Sex is supposed to be something special between two people who are involved in a relationship. Some people just have sex for fun and they donâ??t want a relationship or responsibility.
The right kind of relationship, the kind where two people support each other and trust each other is good, but it's hard to find that kind of relationship.
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Doing stuff that is fun is almost always wrong. In example: -I joined CEG and enjoy to pick on newbies at times. It is against moderator policy and I'll likely be banned sooner or later. -Burnouts in the middle of the freeway are major attention getters. Girls dig fast cars. Cops like to write tickets for fast cars. -Drinking twice what my body can handle makes for some of the most hilarious home videos I can remember seeing. Waking up the next morning (and even the morning after) with a killer hangover is a hell of a consequence. And lastly... -Getting jiggy in the minivan for the first time seemed like a real blast. Until the battery died and I was stranded in Nowhereland.  Sex = fun = wrong. That's the best I can figure it from what you people are saying. -SAV
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by Metric System Chris:
Originally posted by Corbett:
The Church makes it sacred and evil because the Bible says it is only to be between and man and woman who are married to each other. Case closed. Thats what the Bible says and that is what most churches go by. It specifically says multiple times in the Bible that sex is not to be done before marriage or outside of marriage. It is called fornication.
Show me some scripture. I dare ya'
Gal 5:19-20
19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
NKJV
Eph 5:3-4
3 But fornication and all uncleanness or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as is fitting for saints;
NKJV
Col 3:5-6
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.
NKJV
I'm no bible scholar, but when I look at the bible passages you quoted, I have a very hard time finding an explicit, unmistakable prohibition against premarital sex. After all, the word "fornication" comes from the latin "fornicus," or brothel. Isn't it possible that the early Christians just meant to prohibit prostitution? Maybe they only meant you should respect marriage and be loyal to your spouse. Maybe they meant we should treat sex and marriage with awe and respect, and not be promiscuous.
The word in those quotes that arguably addresses pre-marital sex is â??fornication.â? How do we know that Jesus and his disciples meant the same thing by "fornication" that we do? One definition of fornication (according to my Webster's) is sex outside of marriage. But the meaning of words can change greatly over time (just read Shakespeare for plenty of examples). And much gets lost in translation. The original (Hebrew? Aramaic?) Bible has never been found, and we are really working with translations of translations at this point.
I am wary of today's Christians who show no humility whatsoever when it comes to interpreting the Bible. How can they all be so sure of their interpretation?! Maybe they are just projecting their own modern day values onto the Bible. The Bible is (mainly) a gentle message of God's eternal, all-encompassing love for humankind. And yet some cold, dark souls are bent on reading it as an indictment or a retraining order (or even a death warrant! Lots of bible-based doomsday cults, such as the Branch Davidians).
Jesus: "Oh my dear father! I have shared thy words with humankind. Verily, I have given them thy message of love. (OK, a little brimstone, too. Thee knows thy children can be unruly at times.) Alas, father, the very ones who shout out thy name most loudly are using thy words to cripple their hearts and to put fetters on their souls. They fling thy words at one another like daggers."
God: â??Well, you know I delegated the writing part to John and Luke and that whole Jerusalem posse. Oy, such a mess! If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself."
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One can debate the meaning of "fornication" and if "pre-marital sex" is a sin till they are blue in the face.
What one CAN'T debate is how the Christian religion as a majority has interpreted the scripture across the ages and how that interpretation has been handed down over the centuries on those topics, as it's been fairly static from what I understand.
Islam is fairly similar in it's disdain for it...
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by Metric System Chris:
Back to those LETTERS, I see.
By the way, the word "Fornication" was created around the 14th century AD. I wonder what word they used centuries ago in the original texts? Go check out the origin of the word. Some biblical scholors believe the original word in The Texts are equivalent to "whoremongering" (Go check out the Original KJV with all the Ye's, Thou's, and Thee's, you can shake a stick at.)
Yes, it is good to question things.
Actually I am quoting what the Bible says. You can tell me they are just letters but that just proves you dont believe in what the Bible says. Thats fine. I am not going to debate about it. You asked for scripture and I gave it to you.
No, you're quoting your Bible. I don't know how many times I have to explain to you that your version of the Bible is not the Word of God. It is the Word of God, translated, translated again, and then translated again to suit the whim of the political leaders of the time. It is not "scripture". You might as well be getting your Word from George Bush's speeches.
If Bush went and had his own version of the Bible commissioned to better reflect what he believed and called it the "NGBV". Would you quote that ad nauseum too?
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