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I agree. Most of the Canadians I've known and met are really nice people too. It is a pet peeve of mine, however, when people from Canada question our government's "dignity" when Canada clearly has much larger issues (ie - allowing almost everything the U.S. will not legalize)
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Canada clearly has much larger issues (ie - allowing almost everything the U.S. will not legalize)
Since when did allowing citizens to take responsibility for their own actions become a bad thing?
Doesn't freedom mean making your own choices in life?
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Originally posted by Corbett:
allowing almost everything the U.S. will not legalize
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
Since when have the people at Gitmo been charged with a crime? At what point did they all become terrorists? Do you have some insight as to what each of them specficially did to receive that label, or is this another blanket statement with no facts behind it?
Eh, typical response. 
What do you suggest we do with the 'detainees' at Gitmo?
Here's a brilliant idea, CHARGE THEM OR RELEASE THEM
'Scuse me, I see it a bit differently. They're not citizens of the US or even criminals & shouldn't be given the privileges of citizenship. They're enemy combatants and have no right to due process under US laws that are in place to protect the rights of US citizens.
Their capture & detention is a military matter & subject to the military system. Since they are not part of a military force that is associated with a particular nation-state that is a signatory of the Convention, they don't get those privileges either. There are other guidelines on how they are to be classified & treated, & none of the media seems to acknoledge that.
That is the argument the US uses but really it is a loophole and everyone knows why they US is doing it. Personally I think it goes against everything humility has worked for. The Geneva conventions were the result of wars and lost lives and the now we are taking several steps back. If we were to detain people on our own soil we would be going against the Geneva Convention but since we are not it does not matter. Ok so I get it, keep them off US soil but still keep them, make up a new name that is not covered in any previous treaty or convention, and when anyone asks say they are terrorists and it's for your own good not release them or charge them. I thought the US was built on Liberty not on keeping people in the quagmire of places like Gitmo.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Originally posted by zgendron:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by zgendron:
Since when have the people at Gitmo been charged with a crime? At what point did they all become terrorists? Do you have some insight as to what each of them specficially did to receive that label, or is this another blanket statement with no facts behind it?
Eh, typical response.
What do you suggest we do with the 'detainees' at Gitmo?
Here's a brilliant idea, CHARGE THEM OR RELEASE THEM
'Scuse me, I see it a bit differently. They're not citizens of the US or even criminals & shouldn't be given the privileges of citizenship. They're enemy combatants and have no right to due process under US laws that are in place to protect the rights of US citizens.
Their capture & detention is a military matter & subject to the military system. Since they are not part of a military force that is associated with a particular nation-state that is a signatory of the Convention, they don't get those privileges either. There are other guidelines on how they are to be classified & treated, & none of the media seems to acknoledge that.
And just how long should that system take? Are these people even considered to be in the system? Some of these people haven't even been charged with a crime. I don't care how they were captured, tell them what they've been imprissoned for! Once charges have been filed, then the system can work from there.
Sure, these people were captured during a time of war, but that certainly doesn't mean we treat them like dogs. They are people!
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Originally posted by zgendron:
Sure, these people were captured during a time of war, but that certainly doesn't mean we treat them like dogs. They are people!
in order, They are enemy prisoners, they dont HAVE to be charged with anything. Just detained until this war is over. Yes it does thats called fair play. At least we havn't beheaded any of them and dragged them up and down Manhattan Avenue for the world to see. And the last one I'm not sure of.
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