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While I cannot speak for you, I find it ironic that the EU is effectively trying to build a single nation from many disparate nations while our country is fighting to retain our unity amidst attacks from differing political hacks (thieves and liars in large part) and "special-interest groups". The similarities are too disturbing.

Basically, the only way the EU will be able to ratify a 'european constitution' is to make the document so weak as to be useless - negating the whole point for them. The problem is that they will continue to try, regardless.

The Union will work well as a 'economic' union, but it'll never work as a 'political' union.

As soon as they started messing with politics....

-J

That's exactly it - the US started off as a relatively homogeneous set of people and ideologies, and there were many internal troubles over the last ~230 years.

There no way that the EU-economically will be able to become the EU-Nationally. But they will persist - no matter what the reality is. This is the same basic mentality that existed in europe in the 1930's but on a much bigger scale - not one country (Germany) but delegates from many countries trying to form one dominating nation.

Yes, it is ridiculous - but the (EU-political) lack of ability to understand this concerns me. Don't they learn from their previous mistakes?

FWIW the EU Constitution appears to have failed more because it became a referendum on each country's leader, not because people necessarily had a problem with the concept itself. If presented in a different way, perhaps having people vote on the general concept rather than including all the specific components, the referendum might have worked more as intended.

OK, to put some questions to rest regarding the goals of the EU constitution, I've done a bit of searching and reading. If you have any questions as to the actual language of the proposed constitution I would suggest that you check out the following website.

http://www.europa.eu.int/constitution/en/lstoc1_en.htm

If you have any question as the final goal of the EU delegates who drafted the proposed constitution, witness the following excerpted quote from the above website...

"Article I-6
Union law
The Constitution and law adopted by the institutions of the Union in exercising competences conferred on it shall have primacy over the law of the Member States."

If they ratify this constitution, the eu will become the defacto premier superpower. Understand also that the eu goals are socialist - not capitalist. Think about it, they have worked hard for over twenty years to achieve this goal - do you think they will stop at the european borders?

Who will be their closest political ally if the EU becomes politically unified? Which country has the largest population, the most rapidly-growing economy, and the single-largest, most politcally repressive government? And finally, which country is soaking up so many world-wide resources that it is economically stifling the rest of the world? A hint: the name is one word - no acronyms.

This is true that the EU would have sovereign power over the nations of the EU but this socialist thing is a bit far fetched. Honestly this is the first time I have ever heard of anything like this. The main points of the EU Constitution are to give the EU some legal personality, give the Parliament a bigger role, move to a majority voting system, a proviso for state succession of the EU (this has never existed in any treaty before), as well as other major changes. It also changes some structures like the EU would have a common foreign minister who would operate on the basis of the member states foreign policy. Kissinger once said "I would like to know the number to Europe", a common representative would be better than nations going to each EU member. The European Commission would be reduced to 2/3 of the member states being represented. The President of the Council would have a 2 year term rather than 6 months as it is now. All of these things are really what the constitution is about. The referenda in the Netherlands and France were more about the leadership and not about the constitution it self. 90% of those who voted did not know what the constitution said. Also people say "Socialism" and act like what the Europeans have been doing is the same as Soviet Russia. There is a big push right now to renationalize agriculture because it just is not efficient, just one example of how not all Europeans are following Socialist ideals to the letter.

I just went to a presentation on the EU and its future. One Austrian said he thinks Europe will now be in stagnation for a few years and then after some member states will start to push for a CORE Europe. That would be something that would take over the EU, rather EU members would join that and the EU would eventually disappear or become part of the CORE. This is very optimistic and only time will tell. Personally I am split on how I feel about the constitution failing. One side says it would be good for the EU to better integrate, God knows the current system is second best at best. The other side is really happy because the Euro-Dollar exchange has gotten better so my loans will go further!