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Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
Journalism is not simply about reporting events but also sometimes a journalist should give an opinion.
Then they're no longer journalists. You're trying to redefine the term Sean.
Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
It gives your argument more validity when you present counter arguments in your work rather that just giving one side.
Maybe more validity, in your view; but more value, in my view, if they don't.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
Journalism is not simply about reporting events but also sometimes a journalist should give an opinion.
Then they're no longer journalists. You're trying to redefine the term Sean.
Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
It gives your argument more validity when you present counter arguments in your work rather that just giving one side.
Maybe more validity, in your view; but more value, in my view, if they don't.
In journalism there is some space for interpritation. Yes present the news but don't act like you're not biased.
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In journalism there is a big difference between reporting the news and op-ed pieces. You're blurring the lines between the two. News should be just that, straight facts, no opinions. The opinions are that for the user to decide. Op-ed programs, such as O'Reilly, can handle the point, counter-point part of journalism, but to state that news should have opinions in it, means you'll be turning news into propaganda for one side or the other. This is clearly what we want to avoid.
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Originally posted by Davo:
but you'd think they'd at least remember that without America's nuclear umbrella, the USSR would have invaded, or at least attempted to invade, most of Europe.
Davo, would you mind citing your sources por favor. I am mainly referring to the invasion plans. Maybe you are right but maybe not. You sure sound like you were taking part in the Kremlin secret meetings when the above plans been discussed. I honestly don't think that there's much certainty involved but mere assumptions on your part. My proof - starting from the late 1940's, Yugoslavia was the worst sworn enemy for the Soviets, it never became a member of a Warsaw Pact and its independent politics thereatened the satellite status of obedience of the rest East European countries. Still no invasion or invasion plans ever took place - as far as the history knows - with no American protection whatsoever. The Soviets were concerned that the tiny contry that bravely fought Nazis for 5 years would mount lasting guerilla resistance. I believe the Sovites were no less concerned about the outcome of the possible invasion to GB or other European countries. But these again are my assumptions. My point is that no such plans ever became evident - even for such Cold War authority as George Kennan.
Just my 2 cents for the sake of the historical accuracy...
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
In journalism there is a big difference between reporting the news and op-ed pieces. You're blurring the lines between the two. News should be just that, straight facts, no opinions. The opinions are that for the user to decide. Op-ed programs, such as O'Reilly, can handle the point, counter-point part of journalism, but to state that news should have opinions in it, means you'll be turning news into propaganda for one side or the other. This is clearly what we want to avoid.
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Yes that is what I mean, but today there are hardly any good critical thinkers in the media. You have these quick panal talks on CNN or Fox and someone says something that is totally false or cannot cite a source and the person holding the panal is too brain dead to see the BS. That is the kind of thing I am talking about. Even the editorials and op-ed pieces suck; in the quest for reporting in a balanced way the reporters seemed to have forgotten they can have an opinion. Also they are so afraid of what the FCC or others will do if they practice free speech. That is another thread though.
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Originally posted by R_G:
Davo, would you mind citing your sources por favor. I am mainly referring to the invasion plans. Maybe you are right but maybe not. You sure sound like you were taking part in the Kremlin secret meetings when the above plans been discussed. I honestly don't think that there's much certainty involved but mere assumptions on your part. My proof - starting from the late 1940's, Yugoslavia was the worst sworn enemy for the Soviets, it never became a member of a Warsaw Pact and its independent politics thereatened the satellite status of obedience of the rest East European countries. Still no invasion or invasion plans ever took place - as far as the history knows - with no American protection whatsoever. The Soviets were concerned that the tiny contry that bravely fought Nazis for 5 years would mount lasting guerilla resistance. I believe the Sovites were no less concerned about the outcome of the possible invasion to GB or other European countries. But these again are my assumptions. My point is that no such plans ever became evident - even for such Cold War authority as George Kennan.
Just my 2 cents for the sake of the historical accuracy...
Well I don't quite know for sure if they had actual strategic plans for the invasion of Europe. I'd be inclined to believe they did; it only made sense for them to. It's one of those things we'll never know, like exactly how many tens of millions died during Soviet rule.
Keep in mind, however, that Communist doctrine instructed the complete takeover of the world. This is why the world was threatened by it and why we sent our soldiers to prevent its spread. So by default, Europe was in the scope.
Our nuclear firepower is what kept them from seriously thinking about invading.
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Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
Even the editorials and op-ed pieces suck; in the quest for reporting in a balanced way the reporters seemed to have forgotten they can have an opinion.
Psst, Sean, there isn't even an attempt to be balanced. If editorials were balanced, they wouldn't exactly be opinions, would they?
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Also they are so afraid of what the FCC or others will do if they practice free speech. That is another thread though.
WTF are you talking about? 
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The Berlin airlift also comes to mind...
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by R_G:
Originally posted by Davo:
but you'd think they'd at least remember that without America's nuclear umbrella, the USSR would have invaded, or at least attempted to invade, most of Europe.
Davo, would you mind citing your sources por favor.
I'm not sure I can bring up the invasion plans, but Kruschev pounding his shoe on his desk in the UN in 1956 and shouting to the US delegation, "We will bury you." doesn't fill me with a sense of love and well wishes from the then Soviet delegation.
I do admit, there were a good number of US generals and other leaders (US and her allies) who felt like perhaps after getting done with Germany in WWII we should have continued east...
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I am pretty sure that both the Soviets and the US had plans for how to wage a nuclear war, and I do believe the Soviets usually led in the warhead count department. I'll have to check, it's been 20 year since I've earnestly studied any of the politics of nuclear weapons.
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