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Originally posted by RT and his SE: And FYI WW II ended almost 60 years ago, a lot has changed since then including a large portion of the population. They're worried about the here and now and not whether we(the US)have been thanked and patted of the fanny enough. You feed 'em, clothe 'em and put a roof over their heads but kids still growup and develop their own opinions ya know.
I wasn't talking about WWII. The Cold War ended roughly 15 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Europeans' attention spans are that small, but you'd think they'd at least remember that without America's nuclear umbrella, the USSR would have invaded, or at least attempted to invade, most of Europe.
...I had left out our sacrifices in WWII; thanks for bringing that up.
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Originally posted by caltour: Let me go to bed, for christsake! I want a report from you on my desk in the morning, proving that global warming is no threat to Northern Europe, and showing that the huge body of evidence that England is one of the the countries most at risk to climate change is false.
The burden is on you to prove that London will be Nome sometime in the near future. Or I at least hope you have proof, other than 'someone from Europe told me so'.
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Originally posted by Davo: Originally posted by RT and his SE: And FYI WW II ended almost 60 years ago, a lot has changed since then including a large portion of the population. They're worried about the here and now and not whether we(the US)have been thanked and patted of the fanny enough. You feed 'em, clothe 'em and put a roof over their heads but kids still growup and develop their own opinions ya know.
I wasn't talking about WWII. The Cold War ended roughly 15 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Europeans' attention spans are that small, but you'd think they'd at least remember that without America's nuclear umbrella, the USSR would have invaded, or at least attempted to invade, most of Europe.
...I had left out our sacrifices in WWII; thanks for bringing that up.
I just wrote a paper on this very topic. What the Europeans have decided to do is take a different approach to Diplomacy and relations. The US is still operating on a multi-lateral, Diplomacy Ale-Carte while Europeans are for a system like the EU which, for one, makes it easier for terrorists to be caught because there is a unified front against terrorist activities rather than a hodgepodge of resistance. The US is also still using Militarism as its power, which is understandable since it still have the most powerful military in the world; if you have it why not use seems to be the common ideology in the administration. The EU has a greater population yet can only muster about 60k troops, which is I believe 25% of their total forces, while the US can mobilize hundreds of thousands which is 60% of the total force. I don't remember the exact numbers but in any case it shows a clear cleavage between Euro and American military power. Therefore the Europeans have decided to also go with a "No Development without Security, No Security without Development" which basically goes at the root and tries to support unions like the African Union to developed in many ways such as aide for food, better training for security forces, and many more forms of aide. What it comes down to is many in the US believe either that the Cold War system is still valid, or that it is fading and the US must do whatever it can to affect change and grasp power. The EU among others believes that the Cold War system is over, it has been for 15 years, and are ready for a new system of relations which does not start with militarism and military deterrence which was the hallmark of the Cold War.
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Originally posted by Davo: Originally posted by RT and his SE: And FYI WW II ended almost 60 years ago, a lot has changed since then including a large portion of the population. They're worried about the here and now and not whether we(the US)have been thanked and patted of the fanny enough. You feed 'em, clothe 'em and put a roof over their heads but kids still growup and develop their own opinions ya know.
I wasn't talking about WWII. The Cold War ended roughly 15 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if Europeans' attention spans are that small, but you'd think they'd at least remember that without America's nuclear umbrella, the USSR would have invaded, or at least attempted to invade, most of Europe.
...I had left out our sacrifices in WWII; thanks for bringing that up.
Still a world war 2 leftover and to say that we were over there protecting them 15 or 20 years ago is an over-simplification when in reality our presence was self-serving. Any protection they may have felt was merely a by-product of our need to have the strategic location.
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Originally posted by Viss1: Originally posted by Davo: You can't find what Coulter says from anyone other than Coulter. Rhodes usually just rattles off liberal talking points and calls it a day.
So Coulter's "jokes" are what differentiates her. Gotcha.
That's not what he said... HEY!! You qualify to be Rhodes on-air partner! You ignore the context of what you read and mis-represent the intent of the people you quote! Well done!
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Global warming is BS. Just like the impending DOOM of the approaching ice age & global cooling was in the 70s. I was in grade school & remember the global cooling crap being burned into our brains by the school system. [pathological liar voice] "OOPS! Global warming, that's what we meant, not global cooling. Yeah, that's the ticket. Global warming was it all along, just ignore all the "evidence" we presented before, & pay attention to what we're saying now. This is not a normal cyclical climate change like the cooling appears to have been, it's global warming. We have no hard proof, but never mind useless facts, it's global warming. Yeah, that's the ticket..."[/pathological liar voice]
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by Wien_Sean: I just wrote a paper on this very topic. What the Europeans have decided to do is take a different approach to Diplomacy and relations. The US is still operating on a multi-lateral, Diplomacy Ale-Carte while Europeans are for a system like the EU which, for one, makes it easier for terrorists to be caught because there is a unified front against terrorist activities rather than a hodgepodge of resistance. The US is also still using Militarism as its power, which is understandable since it still have the most powerful military in the world; if you have it why not use seems to be the common ideology in the administration. The EU has a greater population yet can only muster about 60k troops, which is I believe 25% of their total forces, while the US can mobilize hundreds of thousands which is 60% of the total force. I don't remember the exact numbers but in any case it shows a clear cleavage between Euro and American military power. Therefore the Europeans have decided to also go with a "No Development without Security, No Security without Development" which basically goes at the root and tries to support unions like the African Union to developed in many ways such as aide for food, better training for security forces, and many more forms of aide. What it comes down to is many in the US believe either that the Cold War system is still valid, or that it is fading and the US must do whatever it can to affect change and grasp power. The EU among others believes that the Cold War system is over, it has been for 15 years, and are ready for a new system of relations which does not start with militarism and military deterrence which was the hallmark of the Cold War.
So what you're saying is that the EU is resorting to 1930s style peace-making? By 'Cold War system' do you mean military might? A system of militarism and military deterrence isn't just the hallmark of the Cold War, it's a hallmark of civilization. You tell me of a time when suits solved serious international disputes and I'll tell you you're reading the wrong history books. The Europeans are incredibly naive if they think what you described is going to be a successful brand of international relations.
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I give the EU 15-20 years before it falls apart.
No way the Germans, French, Italians and former Soviet countries will get along in "union". No way.
Hell, I wish we (Czech) would have stayed the fugg out.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE: Still a world war 2 leftover and to say that we were over there protecting them 15 or 20 years ago is an over-simplification when in reality our presence was self-serving. Any protection they may have felt was merely a by-product of our need to have the strategic location.
Because protection of Europe was in our best interests doesn't mean we didn't protect Europe. Without our nuclear umbrella, it is most likely the USSR would have attempted to take over Europe conventionally. Our nuclear superiority balanced out their conventional superiority. If they objected to this, they are fools.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce: Originally posted by Viss1: Originally posted by Davo: You can't find what Coulter says from anyone other than Coulter. Rhodes usually just rattles off liberal talking points and calls it a day.
So Coulter's "jokes" are what differentiates her. Gotcha.
That's not what he said... HEY!! You qualify to be Rhodes on-air partner! You ignore the context of what you read and mis-represent the intent of the people you quote! Well done!
Please
Both talking heads deliver the party line. Coulter happens to write more books. Saying things like "the NYT didn't cover Dale Earnhardt's death" isn't exactly earth-shattering independent political thought.
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