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Originally posted by Davo:
. . . [DeLay] hasn't done anything illegal . . .
Davo, why are just assuming that DeLay's activities were not illegal? Like DeLay's lawyers (and some media outlets), you have spun the story as if the investigation is complete, and it exonerated DeLay. Nothing could be further from the truth. In fact, the investigation uncovered more potentially illegal acts.
Washington Post on DeLay.
Here is perhaps the most interesting part:
"The revised filings also for the first time list a debt of $121,456 from ARMPAC's regulated campaign account to a separate ARMPAC account that took in unregulated donations in those years.
Jan Baran, a Republican lawyer who specializes in campaign law, said the listing of this debt evidently means that ARMPAC improperly used unregulated campaign contributions to finance certain expenses during those years and now must pay that sum back to comply with the rules."
This thing isn't over yet. As you can see from the article, there is a final audit report, and perhaps an investigation by counsel yet to come.
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Wow, you guys sound as if finding DeLay in the wrong is like finding the Holy Grail. I can tell you are salivating at the idea of a Republican going down via ethics violations. The only thing I wonder about is if the Republicans can spin this in the same way the left did with Clinton (re: The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) if DeLay is found to have done something illegal. If anyone wants to know what it looks like for the left to have a collective boner, they can start paying attention now.
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Davo, are you sure you want to defend DeLay, or even show any support for him at all? Look at the slimy stuff he is involved in: Slate.com on DeLay. He is widely known for ignoring campaign finance rules and improperly taking money for trips, etc. He is now a poster boy for the sleazy strong-arm politics that the Republicans are becoming reviled for. (Which may be setting up a backlash in the next election, dunno). Anyway, the guy is a real liability for your party, so why not toss a bone to the ragged masses of pissed off Democrats?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Wow, you guys sound as if finding DeLay in the wrong is like finding the Holy Grail. I can tell you are salivating at the idea of a Republican going down via ethics violations. The only thing I wonder about is if the Republicans can spin this in the same way the left did with Clinton (re: The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy) if DeLay is found to have done something illegal. If anyone wants to know what it looks like for the left to have a collective boner, they can start paying attention now.
Looks the same to me as the Gingrich vs. Clinton show circa '96. Republicans were certainly pitching tents at the thought of Clinton being impeached.
Basically it just looks to me like the Dems have learned how to play the game.
FWIW I freely admit I'd get pleasure out of seeing DeLay or any other politician who preaches morality exposed as a hypocrite. Perhaps it would open people's eyes a bit.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Basically it just looks to me like the Dems have learned how to play the game.
So there is a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy??
You're right, this is good for the Dems. If it wasn't for DeLay, maybe the illegal actions of Hillary Clinton and her campaign finance director would actually be in the news.
...and when I say illegal, I mean illegal. Not 'unethical'.
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Originally posted by Davo:
You're right, this is good for the Dems. If it wasn't for DeLay, maybe the illegal actions of Hillary Clinton and her campaign finance director would actually be in the news.
Thank God we have conservative news outlets such as the Washington Post to deliver the truth 
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Originally posted by caltour:
Davo, are you sure you want to defend DeLay, or even show any support for him at all?
Man c'mon, d'ya really think it's about ethics and integrity and honesty - it's just this partisan happy giggling when a representative key figure who belongs to the opposite camp is found in the midst of some dirty shite, so for Davo - based on his views and political beliefs - Clinton might be - or should be - held accountable for the 9/11 as a sheer consequence of the blow jobs he been geting during his term; this view is ridiculous and might seem as the way well too known right wing yapping for Caltour; however DeLay's unfortunate dealings would be most probably interpreted differently by democrats if he belonged to their party; so it's all about the same ol' good double standards.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Viss1:
Basically it just looks to me like the Dems have learned how to play the game.
So there is a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy??
I wish. There is, however, a Vast Left Wing Flopping Around Like A Fish In A Bucket.
Originally posted by Davo:
If it wasn't for DeLay, maybe the illegal actions of Hillary Clinton and her campaign finance director would actually be in the news....and when I say illegal, I mean illegal. Not 'unethical'.
The World According to Davo: Clinton is guilty until proven innocent(even though she has not even been charged with anything), but DeLay is innocent until proven guilty (even though he is widely believed to have broken numerous ethics rules and many other laws and regs, and would already have been censured by now - and perhaps prosecuted - if the Republicans had not packed the committee doing the investigation).
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Originally posted by R_G:
so for Davo - based on his views and political beliefs - Clinton might be - or should be - held accountable for the 9/11 as a sheer consequence of the blow jobs he been geting during his term;
Not really. But I guess if you want to argue that Clinton's policies were tough on terrorism, you can do that. Do you think that if we would have had a War on Terror after the 1993 WTC bombings that 9/11 would have happened?
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Originally posted by caltour:
The World According to Davo: Clinton is guilty until proven innocent(even though she has not even been charged with anything), but DeLay is innocent until proven guilty (even though he is widely believed to have broken numerous ethics rules and many other laws and regs, and would already have been censured by now - and perhaps prosecuted - if the Republicans had not packed the committee doing the investigation).
She will probably not be charged with anything because someone will once again foolishly cover for her. However, I have heard that audio tapes implicate Clinton in the attempted cover up of the amount of funds made at that event. All along, this guy's been saying that he did it on his own. But apparently he told someone during a recorded conversation that she told him to do it. So I don't know where that's going to go. I'd like to finally see the Clintons go down for something illegal they did, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
And when it comes to DeLay and Clinton, you're exactly right. I would believe Tom DeLay over Hillary Clinton any day, and there is plenty of reason for that.
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