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Originally posted by ODC:
Because pit-bull owners, don't like, continue that generalization or anything. Right ? It's not cool owning a mean dog ... right ?
It's odd this 'liberal' is more conservative on this issues than most of you hard right guys. Just like I have no 'humanity' issues deporting half the mexican population in california, i have no problem if the put to sleep a bunch of dogs.
I am a conservative? That is a riot. I don't think I pass the lithmus test for "liberal" either.
Do you know WHY I picked my dog?
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Originally posted by Fmr12B:
WAH!  Glad to see this!
There are way too many irresponisble dog owners who choose the Pit Bull/Rottweiller because of their status as agressive protection oriented dogs. While I agree punishing the majority of owners who are responsible is not right it's a small price to pay for the lives saved.
Th funny thing about that is that a true pit bull is bred to be as little human-aggressive as possible. When these dogs were used for pit fights, they had to be handled in the heat of battle. They are naturally more aggressive towards other dogs. Pit Bulls have proven time and time again that they are terrible guard dogs. There are some exceptions, but any burglar that comes into my house is far more likely to get licked than bitten. In no time flat when my dog meets a new person he has rolled onto his back and is expecting a belly rub.
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Dogs are bred for various traits; Pit Bulls have historically been bred specifically for some of thier decidedly uncivilized traits; as have some other breeds of course. Anyone who denies this fact is a blind fool.
That said, I do not believe any particular breed should be banned. I believe dog owners should be held more responsible for the behavior of thier animal. Any one that does not have thier animal appropriately restrained (each breed and each specific animal would have different needs) should be responsible for the actions of that animal, whether it be a Pit Bull or Pomeranian. and God help the person that under-estimates their animal's capability for dangerous behavior.
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Originally posted by Stazi:
A pomeranian is not a dog - it's a wind-up toy.
This is a case where if you don't like pit's, then STFU. Don't bad mouth our dogs cos you're misinformed.
Maybe we should kill every arab in the US seeing as they have the propensity to cause acts of terrorism.
You people are a bunch of tree-hugging hippy know-nothings!
You're an idiot!
As far as this thread goes I don't support the ban but I can see how it would come about. There are not alot of deaths from dog attacks but what there are mostly involve children and two thirds of all fatal attacks involve Pit bull. Considering Pitbulls only makeup one percent of the total US dog population that's a telling stat. I've owned big dogs all my life, would I own a Pitbull with my three kids around? Nope, I wouldn't take the chance because one time would be one time to many.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Originally posted by Stazi:
A pomeranian is not a dog - it's a wind-up toy.
This is a case where if you don't like pit's, then STFU. Don't bad mouth our dogs cos you're misinformed.
Maybe we should kill every arab in the US seeing as they have the propensity to cause acts of terrorism.
You people are a bunch of tree-hugging hippy know-nothings!
You're an idiot!
As far as this thread goes I don't support the ban but I can see how it would come about. There are not alot of deaths from dog attacks but what there are mostly involve children and two thirds of all fatal attacks involve Pit bull. Considering Pitbulls only makeup one percent of the total US dog population that's a telling stat. I've owned big dogs all my life, would I own a Pitbull with my three kids around? Nope, I wouldn't take the chance because one time would be one time to many.
"There are lies, damn lies and stastics" - Samuel Clemens.
There are over 25 breeds that are commonly mistaken as pit bulls. A good many dog bites are never reported. I have a pit bull and I have talked to people that also own pit bulls and even we have problems identifying pit bulls correctly all of the time. The stats from www.statsoutofyourass.com just are not true. Researchers are constantly frustrated in attempts to correlate breed type with fatal and non-fatal dog attacks. Anyone that claims to have accurate numbers is usually using cooked numbers for to bolster their own opinions.
In testing done by the American Temperment Society, Pit Bulls, Amstaffs (American Staffordshire Terrier) and Rottwiliers were in the 82% percentile in testing. The overall pass rate is 80%. Golden Retrievers (considered a family dog) tested at 77%, Chihuahuas at 71%, Greyhounds at 81%, and Lhasa Apso at 71%.I recommend looking up your favorite breed at www.atts.org . Make sure to look up the ones you consider good family dogs as well. There are arounf 20 human fatalities a year.
As for dogs and kids, many recommend to NEVER leave a child, especially a small child, alone with any dog. In the case of the Cocker Spaniel and the kid that was bit in my home, my mom and the kid's mother only left the room for a minute when the little bastard tried to kiss Jasper, the Cocker Spaniel. No dog is 100% safe.
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I don't really agree with it, but I see why they are doing it. Pitbulls and some other breeds have a predisposition to be more agressive than others, when you combine this with someone being a moron and making these dogs agressive, problems arise. A good friend of mine has two pit bull/mastiff mix pups(well they aren't really pups anymore) and they are great dogs, much better behaved than his lab. He did make a special effort when training them and did a lot of research on the subject.
I am all for licensing dogs/owners (cats too but not for violence reasons). In the hands of the wrong person a dog can become a major problem. People have to have licenses to drive cars, buy a gun, heck you even need building permits to put an addition on your house (in most places).
My mother is part of a lab rescue program that takes labs in that have been abused, abondoned etc. When they look at canidates for a permament home for these dogs the applicants are screened thoroughly. These people love dogs, and the breed, in the end isn't that what it is about?
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Originally posted by Pete D:
I don't really agree with it, but I see why they are doing it. Pitbulls and some other breeds have a predisposition to be more agressive than others, when you combine this with someone being a moron and making these dogs agressive, problems arise. A good friend of mine has two pit bull/mastiff mix pups(well they aren't really pups anymore) and they are great dogs, much better behaved than his lab. He did make a special effort when training them and did a lot of research on the subject.
Pitbulls are NOT naturally more aggressive than other dogs. Once again, the a anti-pit bull propeganda rears it's ugly head.
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are pitbulls still unrecognized by the AKC? last I heard, they didnt even consider pitbulls an official breed. not my words, theirs. while i am a dog lover, i own four, i dont especially like pitbulls. its one of the only , if not the only, dog i dont like. theyre overly aggressive towards other dogs. by nature? thats arguable. i take my dogs to the dog park all the time. there are rotts, dobies, and shepherds etc.. always getting along with each other. whenever a pit happens to show up, they usually get into to it with other dogs. my wife's old akita-mix was fond of doing this as well. we ended up getting rid of it. anyways, besides my lack of favor for them, i do not agree with an outright ban. i think there should be severe penalties for the owner of any dog that mauls a human being or even another dog. whether provoked or not (unless under criminal circumstances). this shouldnt even be an issue if the dog is properly restrained when it is supposed to be. there isnt enough(any?) scientific evidence to firmly state that X breed of dogs are vicious by nature. if that was the case, maulings would be waay more common. i think most of the maulings we hear about are from people who dont raise their dogs appropriately, intentional mis-treat their dogs or are just results of a big dog that went out of control. i think anyone caught connected to the dog-fighting industry should face serious criminal liabilities in addition to civil. those type of people are the scum of our society. look at what those Presa Canarios (sp?) did to that poor woman in SF!  absolutely disgusting  anyone who knows or should know that their specific dog has a voilent propensity should either get rid of it or face the consequences when the sh*t hits the fan. *if there are severe penalties introduced for owning a vicious dog that attacks someone, then everyone with half a brain will think long and hard about what kind of dog they keep and how they keep them. Ive met people who have scary dogs. one of my dad's wealthier clients, yeeears ago, had FIVE vicious dobies. he had those things well secured in his backyard. they were trained security dogs and he handled them with extreme care. unfortunately, most people dont. 
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I've owned over a half-dozen canines so far; Labs, Boston Terriers, Daschunds, Blue Heelers, Pointers, Beagles and one Pit Bull named Churchill.
The Pit was the most even-tempered dog I've owned outside of 2 Labs. It wasn't the smartest dog I've owned (that was the Blue Heeler and he was absolutely frightening in terms of smarts), but it was an excellent pet that never met a stranger and was extremely friendly. Along with the Labs, it was the only dog that never snapped or bit at me or anyone else even once.
The two Daschunds that I currently have are the dogs I have to watch around people (kids especially); some folks they are fine with while others they would maul if they could jump high enough and weighed enough. It's been the most protection-oriented breed I've owned in that anyone gets near my wife or I that they don't particularly care for, they go beserk. Thank God neither of them weigh over 16 lbs., so a quick yank on the leash ends their stampede of miniature terror. The attitude they project would make you think they were 100lb. muscle-bound attack Rottweilers...
Most of the hooplah over Pit Bulls is exactly that: hooplah. People with far too much time on their hands, far too much ignorance and way too little common sense end up making and passing laws like this.
It's all about how the dog is trained and treated; some breeds do have a disposition towards certain behaviors, but categorizing Pit Bulls as something close to a 4-legged weapon on the prowl is stupidity at it's finest.
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www.realbitbull.com The motto of this site is "Promoting a positive image" so you might say it's pitbull positive site. It won't let me copy and paste so read the third paragragh down and then comeback and say how the only good info is what your spoutin'.
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