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Originally posted by zgendron:
Unfortunately its not quite that simple either. Dogs do not necessarily know right from wrong the same way people do.
If a little kid is pulling the tail of a dog all day, and that dog finally is fed up and takes a bite at the kid, who should be at fault here? Clearly the owners of the kid for supervisional issues, however we know that will never happen.
That argument is spurious at best. Ofcourse dogs don't know right from wrong. That's what the owners are for. To be responsible for their pets. To ensure they get the proper training, and ensure their pets are not a danger to the general public.
To answer your specific example as to fault in that situation, I ask, "Where's the parent that's letting their kids do that? Where's the dog owner that's leaving their pet in this situation? Is a dog bite reasonable force for 'all day' tail pulling? What's the threshold? 1 minute? 1 hour? etc...."
I can contrive examples too. It doesn't really get to the root of the matter. Pet owners ultimately decide how a pet is brought up and therefore should be ultimately responsible for their pet's actions.
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Originally posted by Beowulf:
Originally posted by SVZETEC:
If it's really as serious as they are making it out to be...license people to own these "dangerous" breeds. That would potentially weed out alot of trash & make owners aware of the capabilities of these dogs. I think breeders of these breeds should also have to pass a rigid screening. Noone that has an arrest record showing any kind of violence should be an owner of any dog period. Don't blame the animals...
Apply it to all dogs then. I know some vicious ankle biters thaty could use a little training. Including the one that bit my pit bull on the nose last July.
That ankle biter doesn't weigh 75 lbs and break bones with it's jaws. 
Any dog can break bones with it's jaws. Pit bulls have no stronger bite than any other breed. 75 lbs is large for a pit bull. A "proper pit bull" wieghs between 40-60 pounds. They have been tending to breed larger over the last 150 years as Americans tend to like "larger dogs" The pregenitors to the APBT or Staffordhshire Terrier rarely exceeded 40 pounds in proper trim.
What bone would that Pomeranian be breaking? 
As far as the strength of a Pit bull's bite your info is incorrect. Part of their genetic makeup(creation of the breed) was to bite and hold on.
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A pomeranian is not a dog - it's a wind-up toy.
This is a case where if you don't like pit's, then STFU. Don't bad mouth our dogs cos you're misinformed.
Maybe we should kill every arab in the US seeing as they have the propensity to cause acts of terrorism.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
What bone would that Pomeranian be breaking?
As far as the strength of a Pit bull's bite your info is incorrect. Part of their genetic makeup(creation of the breed) was to bite and hold on.
No dog can break a normal grown human bone with a single bite. A childs bone? Perhaps. But then dogs like Great Danes and many other larger breeds should be outlawed if that is the reason you object to these breeds.
Many dogs can be trained to "not let go", but that does not mean the bite has any more strength. There is a common misconception that pit bulls have a more powerful bite than other dogs of similar size, but there is no scientific evidence to back that up.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
As far as the strength of a Pit bull's bite your info is incorrect. Part of their genetic makeup(creation of the breed) was to bite and hold on.
You are correct that a Pit Bull was bred to bite and hold on, however this has nothing to do with the strenght or PSI rating of the bite. How would holding on further break a bone?
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Originally posted by Beowulf:
No dog can break a normal grown human bone with a single bite. A childs bone? Perhaps. But then dogs like Great Danes and many other larger breeds should be outlawed if that is the reason you object to these breeds.
Many dogs can be trained to "not let go", but that does not mean the bite has any more strength. There is a common misconception that pit bulls have a more powerful bite than other dogs of similar size, but there is no scientific evidence to back that up.
Listen to Beowulf. The public perception of pitbulls has surpassed fear mongering long ago. I too was once guilty of this type of mythic demonization of pitbulls.
Essentially:
1. breed bans serve no one and avoid the true issue, bad owners.
2. Some people shouldn't have pets. Some people shouldn't have kids. Some people shouldn't have existed.
3. We're looking at a pitbull ban for our province. I contend, somewhere down the line some other "Dangerous" breed will come to the fore, once our fair land has been expunged of the dread pitbull menace.
4. There is no science in the branding of a dangerous breed.
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Originally posted by joe:
Listen to Beowulf. The public perception of pitbulls has surpassed fear mongering long ago. I too was once guilty of this type of mythic demonization of pitbulls.
Essentially:
1. breed bans serve no one and avoid the true issue, bad owners.
2. Some people shouldn't have pets. Some people shouldn't have kids. Some people shouldn't have existed.
3. We're looking at a pitbull ban for our province. I contend, somewhere down the line some other "Dangerous" breed will come to the fore, once our fair land has been expunged of the dread pitbull menace.
4. There is no science in the branding of a dangerous breed.
The court of public opinion is fickle. The American Bit Pull Terrier was once one of the most common and beloved breeds in the US. Thanks to thugs and morons, this excellent breed is under constant attack.
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Originally posted by ODC:
On one hand, I don't like it -- but
Does anybody here read the posts being made ?
You guys are great, you're all gung-ho on waging wars, the death penalty, weed, socialized medicine, completely the opposite on 'bleeding heart left liberal' issues, yet when it comes to a bunch of mutts, you get your panties in a knot.
I agree that owners should be held responsible. IMO *ALL* dogs should be registered just like handguns and the ones that are not put to sleep. The owner signs a waiver that all actions by the dog are his responsiblility, socially and fiscally.
You guys are PMS'ing this out on me as if I wrote the bill or something. Holy smokes, CHILL.
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Originally posted by johnwilliams474:
f that
w3rd.
P.S. The quote in your sig made me chuckle. Not as much as when I wrote it, but it is a good memory.
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