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There have been a couple documentaries I have seen (on the discovery channel and one on msnbc or something) about how many older europeans support our president while its the younger ones that don't. something about the older ones remembering WWII and that those who didn't experience it just couldn't relate these two events.
as for the argument of they have seen war and want to avoid it, thats admirable, but its also the same argument that Chamberlain used before the onset of WWII:
'Peace for our time'
unfortunately when you're dealing with tyrants, they just don't care what you want.
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That's only because they haven't tried again.
phew! good thing to know that we can count on you to know the ins and outs of terror organizations like al qaeda. But hey, when they are going to attack us next, mind warning us so we can be alert? Thanks.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
Europens believe in time outs.
Americans believe in spankings. :-)
Oooh, I am SO going to use that again...
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Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Davo:
I'm very grateful they do not run our country. Thank you, George.
Yes, Thank you President George W. Bush. We haven't had a single act of terrorism on our shores since 9/11....
That's only because they haven't tried again.
LOL! Right, Richard Reed and others dont count I guess. 
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Originally posted by Corbett:
Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Davo:
I'm very grateful they do not run our country. Thank you, George.
Yes, Thank you President George W. Bush. We haven't had a single act of terrorism on our shores since 9/11....
That's only because they haven't tried again.
LOL! Right, Richard Reed and others dont count I guess.
LOL! So he gets on a plane in Paris, flubs his operation, gets over powered by passengers, and thats the best USA counter-terrorism example you have.
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Europe doesn't even have to look back very far to see what could/would happen with Saddam... Golf war 1.
Iraq invades Kuwait. If the world had done nothing, Saddam would likely now be controlling the Saudi oil fields as well. IIRC, much of the Kuwaiti oil goes to Europe. How would they have felt about the US if we had stayed out of it then?
You have to confront a tyrant early. Hitler was not confronted before WWII & became stronger. Confronted early, the world could have stopped that tyrant with far less loss of life than what was ultimately tallied.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by 18psi2300:
LOL! So he gets on a plane in Paris, flubs his operation, gets over powered by passengers, and thats the best USA counter-terrorism example you have.
LOL! That isn't the point! You said they havn't tried! But I can agree defending the utterly stupid and ridiculous statement of "Thats because thye havn't tried" is pretty hard, so you may as well change your argument as you go.
And of course you are in touch with CIA and FBI insiders so you know all of the inside info and all the plots that may have been stopped.
IIRC there was a big news story a couploe months back about a group of terrorists found at a remote shooting range that were apprehended.
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Originally posted by 18psi2300:
LOL! So he gets on a plane in Paris, flubs his operation, gets over powered by passengers, and thats the best USA counter-terrorism example you have.
LOL So are you admitting they've tried? There have been several plots, both domestic and abroad, that have been uncovered and disrupted. Did you miss those?
I'm not going to say that GWB is why we haven't been attacked, but I also can't blame him for doing nothing about terrorism, like the previous few presidents.
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The thing alot of people do not grasp that in the world I live in (security and intelligence) is success are not known and can not be measured. A big reason why security is over looked until something happens then its "Oh Chit we need more security!" If we could MEASURE the success the Intelligence community and Law Enforcement communites have with operations that are done daily, then something is defiantly wrong. Sure, some you can account for, but the majority of the success we (as a public or even as an access individual) will NEVER know of. Originally posted by 18psi2300:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by Davo:
I'm very grateful they do not run our country. Thank you, George.
Yes, Thank you President George W. Bush. We haven't had a single act of terrorism on our shores since 9/11....
That's only because they haven't tried again.
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Originally posted by RTStabler51:
The thing alot of people do not grasp that in the world I live in (security and intelligence) is success are not known and can not be measured. A big reason why security is over looked until something happens then its "Oh Chit we need more security!" If we could MEASURE the success the Intelligence community and Law Enforcement communites have with operations that are done daily, then something is defiantly wrong. Sure, some you can account for, but the majority of the success we (as a public or even as an access individual) will NEVER know of
Hey, you are right. We can't measure success. For example, we can't measure the success in the murder rate...WE can't measure success in the rape rate...Why? Because we don't know and could never tell when a crime is going to occur.
On the other hand, when NOTHING happens, when crime is at a ZERO rate, then success is evident. Bin Laden is hiding. # 3 has been caught. Saddam has been caught. His sons have been killed. Afghanistan is different. Iraq is different. SO MANY OTHER terrorists have been caught. It's is obvious that terrorism still exists because of the actions all across the globe, except in one place.
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES!!!
So no, we can't measure success per say, but when NOTHING has happened, we can make an estimated guess that we are doing something right...
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Thanks Capt Obvious.  My point was people do not 'see' anything happening, so they think there is no tangible threat. With rape and murder you want the perpatrators (sp?) to know that they will get caught to stop them. With terrorists its a different game. If you catch one of them, then the others will change their lifes around so that their system of communication and passing things can still be done successfully. That is why typically when terrorists are captured the "How" is usually very vague, and the smaller guys are not reported. Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
Originally posted by RTStabler51:
The thing alot of people do not grasp that in the world I live in (security and intelligence) is success are not known and can not be measured. A big reason why security is over looked until something happens then its "Oh Chit we need more security!" If we could MEASURE the success the Intelligence community and Law Enforcement communites have with operations that are done daily, then something is defiantly wrong. Sure, some you can account for, but the majority of the success we (as a public or even as an access individual) will NEVER know of
Hey, you are right. We can't measure success. For example, we can't measure the success in the murder rate...WE can't measure success in the rape rate...Why? Because we don't know and could never tell when a crime is going to occur.
On the other hand, when NOTHING happens, when crime is at a ZERO rate, then success is evident. Bin Laden is hiding. # 3 has been caught. Saddam has been caught. His sons have been killed. Afghanistan is different. Iraq is different. SO MANY OTHER terrorists have been caught. It's is obvious that terrorism still exists because of the actions all across the globe, except in one place.
HERE IN THE UNITED STATES!!!
So no, we can't measure success per say, but when NOTHING has happened, we can make an estimated guess that we are doing something right...
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