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I say give them a drivers license so that we can at least have a way to track them. I understand that a lot of people want the illegals out of the country but those people are not looking at both sides. For example put yourself in the shoes of one of my friends who is an illegal in this country. When he was fifteen yrs. old both of his parents died in a car crash in Mexico. He is the second oldest of six kids and the only male. He took over his dad's furniture business but wasn't making enough money. He had a cousin in Cali who was making decent money in construction and figured that that was the way he could support his five sisters. So he came here illegaly and began busting his ass so that he could send money to his sisters. He has been here over ten years now and he has sent most of his money back to Mexico for his sisters to have food, shelter, and even money for them to go to college. He's a very hard worker (as are most Mexicans that i've met) and just an all around good guy. Now I know that not all the illegals in this country have the same story, but I know a lot of them that are here because there is more oppurtunity here than in their countries. They just want help their families and have better lives like the rest of us. So I say give them a driver's license and we'll be able to better know who's here and keep track of them instead of just not knowing. Because they're going to keep coming back anyway.
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That still doesn't explain why he couldn't enter the country legally. He's honest and hard working, so there shouldn't be an issue. By entering legally, he'd have an easier time to probably do more for his family back in Mexico. That's my opinion of course..... Like on South Park when people came from the future because it was crappy and no work was to be found. They all found that making the future a better place to live, they solved both their problems. IMO, that was a very good point to what issue they were hinting at. Now, if only President Fox would try to help his own people rather than expect America to   He's a big part of this problem!
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Originally posted by Swazo:
That still doesn't explain why he couldn't enter the country legally.
He was only seventeen and he was desperate and needed money to pay back the rest of his family and friends that he had borrowed money from. Getting your legal paper isn't the easiest and quickest things to do. He was too deep in the hole and didn't have the luxury of time to do everything legally. And he is currently in the process of getting his work visa and residency. However I do agree that the problem begins in the countries that the illegals come from. Their governments are not being self sufficient enough to want to keep their own people from wanting to leave and come to the US.
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Originally posted by Swazo:
That still doesn't explain why he couldn't enter the country legally. He's honest and hard working, so there shouldn't be an issue. By entering legally, he'd have an easier time to probably do more for his family back in Mexico. That's my opinion of course.....
if you are here illegaly, it is a serious barrier to getting a valid residency and/or citizen ship. you are supposed to go back to mexico and wait in line with the thousands of other people who want to come in. this takes yeears. for people who are desperate, that is not an option. obviously this ceger's friend was desperate. yeah, he could have chosen to stay in mexico and even made good $ in the drug trade, and believe me, in many parts of mexico, that is the only work available. chose to come here to make an honest living instead. I think bush is lax on this issue because there is much more lobby pressure from business to ignore it then there are people who are pissed off about it.
i think the drivers license is a double-edged sword. while i think it is inappropriately "condoning" illegal immigration at the same time, as mentioned above, it is way to keep track of them. it would also help with census data and budgets because these people are waay under-represented in the population numbers. they dont come forward and say "here i am" so we have to take educated guesses as to how many there really are.
dont forget, the driver's license isnt the only one doing this. last year many banks announced that they would start allowing them to open bank accounts with just their mexican matricular(?) cards. (i think thats what they were called)
all the banks are thinking about is $$$$$$
i believe the only "real" solution is to help improve their economies back home so they want to stay there. most of them would prefer to live in mexico if it werent for the dire economic conditions. i just read an interesting article on vietnam yesterday. remember how thousands of people, both legally and illegally, were dying to get over here? their economy has made such tremendous gains that some of the vietnamese who live here, have moved back over there.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Originally posted by wontgrowup:
Is it true that there is a "spot" in many towns down there where the illegals line up on the sides of the road for work?
Yeap. It's often just a little spot on the side of the road, but some towns even go as far as to build a covered area or even a building for them to protect them from the elements.
Same way up here in the DC area. I can think of two places off the top of my head where I can get "day laborers" just about anytime I want. Heck, all you have to do is learn enough Spanish to say "three workers, $40 each" and you're off to the races.
And if you're really serious about tracking, needle-punch each one that gets picked up with a RFID tracker chip so the INS guys can electronically scan 'em out of a crowd.
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Originally posted by Swazo:
That still doesn't explain why he couldn't enter the country legally. He's honest and hard working, so there shouldn't be an issue. By entering legally, he'd have an easier time to probably do more for his family back in Mexico. That's my opinion of course.....
I don't think there's a legal way for ppl like him. I mean the company offering him a job has to formally apply for the work visa on his behalf, which is a long and costly burocratic process. No one will spend $2000 for the right to employ a tomato picker for 3 yrs.
That's the reason the gov't is pushing for the "temporary workers" visa program. These ppl just don't fit into the current legal framework for immigration.
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It's good your friend is trying to support his family and all, and that is the story for many illegal immigrants. But that is part of the problem. The money he makes goes back to Mexico. It is taking money out of our economy and putting it into mexico's.
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I'd rather have a Mexican "sneaking" over the Border to earn an "honest" day's wage than someone who sits on their ass collecting Support and leaching off the Welfare system....my .02$
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
It's good your friend is trying to support his family and all, and that is the story for many illegal immigrants. But that is part of the problem. The money he makes goes back to Mexico. It is taking money out of our economy and putting it into mexico's.
ive heard this argument before. its not like theyre sending home millions of dollars. and remember, their economy growing is the only way to slow immigration down. they need money for their economy to grow. this outflow of cash is even comparable to the trade deficit we have with Japan  you want to talk about money leaving the country...
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Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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