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#1259755 04/27/05 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by starjammir:
I have a .22 ruger and a 4-10 shotgun.




You never told me you had guns Billy! Let's shoot em' on sunday!!!! After were done cleaning those UIM's that is.

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I perfer stun guns like the tazer.

"Air Taser Information Page
HOW DOES AN AIR TASER WORK?
Upon firing, compressed nitrogen projects two AIR TASER probes 15 feet at a speed of 135 feet per second. An electrical signal transmits throughout the region where the probes make contact with the body or clothing. The result is an instant loss of the attackerâ??s neuromuscular control and any ability to perform coordinated action. AIR TASER uses an automatic timing mechanism to apply the electric charge. The AIR TASER releases an electric current in a pre-set time sequence (an initial seven seconds followed by several 1.8 second breaks for a total time of about 30 seconds in each cycle). This cycle ensures that the nervous system of the target does not recover instantly to allow him to remove the probes. The follow-on bursts disrupt the process of re-equilibration of the nervous system. While the target is disabled, the user can place the device on the ground and escape.

HOW CAN THE AIR TASER BE SO EFFECTIVE YET NON-INJURIOUS?
The AIR TASER does not depend upon impact or body penetration to achieve its effect. Its pulsating electrical output interferes with communication between the brain and the muscular system, resulting in loss of control. However, the AIR TASER is non-destructive to nerves, muscles and other body elements. It simply affects them in their natural mode. More importantly, no deaths have ever been directly attributed to the TASER.

WHAT HAS TESTING REVEALED REGARDING THE AIR TASER? Anesthesiologist and specialist in medical electronics, Dr. Frank Summers, MD of St. Josephâ??s Hospital, Orange, California, directed tests of volunteers at St. Josephâ??s in 1971 and 1974. Dr. Summers stated, "...We undertook this [volunteer test] in the operating rooms at St. Josephâ??s Hospital. We had an assembly of cardiovascular surgeons, cardiologists... we had a real [TASER]. We tested extensively and made movies. The tests were impressive. We monitored all parameters of physiology, including electrocardiographs. The tests did not produce any lethal effects and we found that the background work that had been done did indeed pan out in practice."

DOES THE TASER AFFECT THE HEART OR A CARDIAC PACEMAKER?
The AIR TASERâ??s output is well below the level established as "safe" by the federal government in approving such devices as the electrified cattle fence. In a medical study of the Model XR 5000Ф electronic stun gun, Dr. Robert Stratbucker of the University of Nebraska Medical Center confirmed that the T-Wave does not interrupt the heartbeat or damage a pacemaker. Any modern pacemaker is designed to withstand electrical defibrillator pulses that are hundreds of times stronger than the AIR TASERâ??s output. The AIR TASER current of 0.3 joules is well below the 10-50 joule threshold above which cardiac ventricular fibrillation can occur.

ISNâ??T HIGH VOLTAGE LETHAL?
High voltage, in itself, is not dangerous. One can receive a 25,000-volt shock of static electricity from a doorknob on a dry day without harm. The physiological effect of electrical shock is determined by: the current, its duration, and the power source that produces the shock. The typical household current of 110 volts is dangerous because it can pump many amperes of current throughout the body indefinitely. By contrast, the AIR TASER power supply consists of an alkaline 9-Volt battery that is capable of supplying less than three watts of electrical power for a few minutes.

WILL THE TASER CAUSE ELECTROCUTION?
No. The output is metered by the electronics and the electrical energy in each pulse is always the same, regardless of the target condition. The electrical output will not be transferred from one person to another even if they touch. AIR TASER, Inc.â??s president has been stunned by an AIR TASER while standing in water to emphasize this point.

WHAT ARE THE AFTEREFFECTS?
A person hit with an AIR TASER will feel dazed for several minutes. The pulsating electrical output causes involuntary muscle contractions and a resulting sense of vertigo. It can momentarily stun or render an attacker unconscious. Yet, the AIR TASERâ??s low electrical amperage and short duration of pulsating current, ensures a non-lethal charge. Moreover, it does not cause permanent damage or long-term aftereffects to muscles, nerves or other body functions. A January 1987 Annals of Emergency Medicine study reported TASER technology leaves no long term injuries compared with 50% long term injuries for gun shot injuries.

MUST THE PROBES PENETRATE THE BODY TO BE EFFECTIVE?
No. The electrical current will "jump" up to two inches as long as both probes are attached to clothing or skin. At most, only the 3/8-inch needlepoint will penetrate the skin. They have less energy than a spring propelled BB.

WHAT IF THE PROBES MISS?
The AIR TASER can be used in a touch-stun mode. The user is thus provided with a final backup if the probes miss the target. Should the user miss or engage a second attacker, he can touch the unit directly to the target and it will work like a powerful touch-stun device.

WHAT IS THE BEST-SHOT AT MAXIMUM RANGE?
As long as the spread of the probes is at least six inches, the AIR TASER will be extremely effective. To ensure that the spread is greater than six inches, the AIR TASER should be fired at a target several feet away. The optimum shot is from seven to ten feet away from the target to achieve maximum effect. At seven to ten feet away - the spread of the probes will be approximately 16 inches, ensuring that the target receives the most efficient T-Wave flow.

DOES TEMPERATURE HAVE A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT ON THE AIR TASER? No. The AIR TASER utilizes compressed nitrogen (an inert gas). The AIR TASER compressed air capsules have successfully held their charges at temperatures of minus 20?? F and up to 160?? F. Moreover, altitude will not adversely effect the firing of an AIR TASER. In addition, the temperature will not effect the T-Wave. However, as with any product containing polycarbonates and other thermoplastics, the AIR TASER and Air Cartridges should never be left in direct sunlight.

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Originally posted by Andy W.:
Originally posted by SVT Driver627:
Originally posted by Kokopellian:
Originally posted by 99blacksesport:
Originally posted by CSVT1214:
I really don't see the point in owning one at all.

Probably why I never will.

But hey, it's your life so live it.




Thats whats so beautiful about this country, there doesn't have to be "a point."




Exactly.




But stuff like this can also lead to incidents such as Columbine, i know anyone in my highschool could walkin with some guns and no one would be the wiser. Kinda frightening to think about sometimes.




Complete [censored]! Poor parenting is what didn't prevent Columbine.

An 80 year old man killed 8 when he drove thru a street market. Should we take all cars off the road?

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No, but elderly should be road tested AGAIN at some point. Their kids (where appropriate) need to revoke their licence too. That's an entirely different discussion though


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Too bad Tazers are no fun to shoot. And somehow I feel that you don't own, and have never used a Tazer, you just read what you posted and thought that it was interesting. It seems that every post of yours involves a lengthy quote of some anonymous source, with some unintelligible comments.


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Yeah, who the heck target shoots with a taser? It seems to me like most of the people who've read this thread MISSED THE POINT. He wants a nice big-bore fun gun.


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Hey Phoenix, I carry an X-26 Taser everyday on the job. You forgot to say that the civillian version sells for more than $1,200 bux. I have used and witnessed the use of several cartridges. When they work,THEY WORK!I have personally endured a 5 second ride on "the chair". I have seen many a doper either run out of the probes or just pull them out. Oh, and the cartridges are like $35.00 a piece. That is expensive shootin! For target shooting get a semi-auto .22 or a 9mm pistol. For home protection..nothing says "get out of my house dirtbag",like a shotgun filled with buckshot!

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A shotgun filled with slugs.


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I agree if you are aiming,but the wife can him 'em with buckshot.

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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
A shotgun filled with slugs.





i very much have to disagree!

buckshot is best for home defense. i suppose you'll want reasons so i'll list them here so you don't have to waste a post (i know how you hate when that happens).


1) wide dispersal pattern
....a) you're frequently in a low light situation
....b) you've likely just waken up
....c) your nerves/adrenaline will make accuracy tough
....d) multiple perps? if they are near each other, bonus!

2) lower projectile speed/low penetration depth
....a) got kids or neighbors that you like? then you probably don't want bullets penetrating through the walls!

i'm sure there are others, but these are all the reasons i need.


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I have to cast another vote toward a Walther P99 in 40 Cal.




Glocks are great guns too, however the grips are kinda blocky. (like holding a 2x4)


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