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Sorry but there is a difference between Communist Political ideals and economic ideals. Marxism as a political ideal is crap if you ask me because the only way to implement it is f you give up some fundamental rights. As an economic model it does not work that well in practice either. Communism is a perversion and a corrupt model of a relativity good idea. Communism does not work, perhaps Marxism would work but I do not want to live in that society.
As for social security, this did not get us into the spot we are in now. A lack of support got us into the position. It is spurious reasoning to simply remove all funding for a program and then say it no longer works. It is natural for a non-funded program to fail. There is room in our society for this "socialist" ideal. We need to support those who cannot support them selves. I am tired of this idea that those who are on social security or any social service are lazy. My Mom will never work another day of her life, my Father has been dead since '87 and it is these social programs that have allowed me and my Mom to live. Without them I would have had a life of work trying to only support my Mother. Instead it has allowed me to get an education and better myself. Our society is Liberal and yet in some way it is Socialist in that it takes care of those who cannot take care of themselves. And please do not give me "you parents should have saved" or been better prepare, my father was 37 when he died and no one is prepared to leave anything for their wife and young child at that age. We need to support social programs because it is the only way the poor and less fortunate can get out of their poverty. The gap between the rich and the poor keeps growing and the administration means to keep this gap growing.
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Originally posted by loggerbomb:
canada doesnt need americas protection. We dont piss other countries off like you guys.
Actually, there's a long-standing agreement between the two counties for protection. Here's a good quote on the subject:
"Canada's leaders also reasoned that - given Canada's geography - only great powers could threaten this country, and only great powers could defend it. Canada, on this logic, could best defend itself through alliances with powerful protectors whose own military interests included the defence of Canada."
Originally posted by loggerbomb:
As for closing the border to the north go ahead, its mostly americans leaving the us to come here, lol.
Do you happen to realize the number of Canadians who live over there, yet drive hours a day to work in the US? Most do it because of better wages, equal treatment, and insurance. (Yup, Canadians who've had to live thru the socialist medical nightmare prefer having US insurance.)
Don't get me wrong, I have plenty of Canadian friends, and I visit now and then. But, I've also lived on both the Northern and Southern borders while in MI and TX. I can tell you that we've got a far more open border to the North, yet everyone wants to [censored] and moan telling us to secure the Southern border. I say if we're going to secure the borders, we better damn well do both.
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Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
My Mom will never work another day of her life, my Father has been dead since '87 and it is these social programs that have allowed me and my Mom to live.
No offense meant here, but its not my job to support your mother because she doesn't want to work. That is the problem with the system. You take money away from hard working individuals who actually earned it and give it to freeloaders who don't have to work a day of their life...
If they have some physical ailment that prevents her from working fine, that would be an acceptable circumstance in which she needs help and should recieve it. But lazyness is not a viable excuse for why my tax dollars should go to support someone who doesn't work.
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Originally posted by SVTatGT:
Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
My Mom will never work another day of her life, my Father has been dead since '87 and it is these social programs that have allowed me and my Mom to live.
No offense meant here, but its not my job to support your mother because she doesn't want to work. That is the problem with the system. You take money away from hard working individuals who actually earned it and give it to freeloaders who don't have to work a day of their life...
If they have some physical ailment that prevents her from working fine, that would be an acceptable circumstance in which she needs help and should recieve it. But lazyness is not a viable excuse for why my tax dollars should go to support someone who doesn't work.
My Mother is disabled. She has Crohn's Disease, look it up. She has constant scarring of her digestive system. When she has a flare-up she can hardly get out of bed (I usually take her to the hospital then, my family does that now) let alone work. When she is not on a flare-up she needs blood transfusions because her red blood count drops dangerously low. She needs transfusions every 3-4 months. Now here is the f'ed up thing, every month she has to prove to the State that she still has no money, still has no job, still is disabled. The problem with the system is that there are able bodied people who go to the same office as my mom who are just given money because they have kids. I can't stand that we just give out money to parents just because they have kids. There are people like my Mother who are really in need of aid and they have to fight tooth and nail for it. She has even proven in a court of law that she is disabled yet the State still makes her prove it. So don't give me "it's only lazy people who get 'your' tax dollars."
BTW The private health insurance companies will not cover my mom, there are too many pre-existing conditions. Also my father is the one who stayed home when I was born, my Mother was a secretary making more money than my father.
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Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
The problem with the system is that there are able bodied people who go to the same office as my mom who are just given money because they have kids. I can't stand that we just give out money to parents just because they have kids. There are people like my Mother who are really in need of aid and they have to fight tooth and nail for it.
i hear ya man. we are still fighting the state trying to prove that my father is disabled while other people waltz right in and get it.
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Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
My Mother is disabled. She has Crohn's Disease, look it up. She has constant scarring of her digestive system. When she has a flare-up she can hardly get out of bed (I usually take her to the hospital then, my family does that now) let alone work. When she is not on a flare-up she needs blood transfusions because her red blood count drops dangerously low. She needs transfusions every 3-4 months. Now here is the f'ed up thing, every month she has to prove to the State that she still has no money, still has no job, still is disabled. The problem with the system is that there are able bodied people who go to the same office as my mom who are just given money because they have kids. I can't stand that we just give out money to parents just because they have kids. There are people like my Mother who are really in need of aid and they have to fight tooth and nail for it. She has even proven in a court of law that she is disabled yet the State still makes her prove it. So don't give me "it's only lazy people who get 'your' tax dollars."
BTW The private health insurance companies will not cover my mom, there are too many pre-existing conditions. Also my father is the one who stayed home when I was born, my Mother was a secretary making more money than my father.
Solution: abolish all social assistance. That way, your mother doesn't have to go through all the hassle of proving she's disabled every time she needs more aid, and she won't have to fight 'tooth and nail' for it.
I have nothing against you or your mother, but I think you're seeing why people like me think government assistance is a bad thing: it creates a class of people dependent on it. I wonder how people got by before the govermnent paid them to. 
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Well without the state aid what would my mother do? The private insurance companies will not cover my mother. She has been to every company and they all say the same thing, they will cover anything that she has not had a problem with. She has had a chronic headache problem since age 12, had ulcers, has Crohn's now and essentially they will only cover her limbs. The problems is no one but the state will help people like my mother. It does not create a class either, or at least not one that people cannot get out of fairly easily. Instead of me having to work to pay my mother's enormous medical bills I am getting an education and getting out of this so-called class. The people who abuse the system do indeed create a class of welfare citizens but, if they are able bodied are simply being lazy and like I said, they are abusing the system. You say it does not work so get rid of it, I say it does not work so fix it. My mother is dependent on the system because of her illness not because of the system itself. It is true she has to fight for the aid but it is there, privately none exists and never will because insuring people like my mother does not make money.
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Originally posted by my csvt:
Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
The problem with the system is that there are able bodied people who go to the same office as my mom who are just given money because they have kids. I can't stand that we just give out money to parents just because they have kids. There are people like my Mother who are really in need of aid and they have to fight tooth and nail for it.
i hear ya man. we are still fighting the state trying to prove that my father is disabled while other people waltz right in and get it.
Seeing that makes me and my mom so angry. I just do not get how people who work in the system do not see what they are doing to the system through their lack of action. There are those who have been great to my mom and worked the system because they see how my mom has been treated but there are others who would gladly hand out money to a mother of 5 and turn to my mom and act like my mom is the problem with the system; like she is trying to cheat someone out of money. We do not even see any of the money, it is for medical bills and nothing else.
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What would your mother do if she did not receive aid from the government? I don't know, but I can think of a lot of situations that people have that would be better if the government gave them money. We can be thankful that they have not obliged (yet, *knock on wood*).
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Originally posted by Davo:
What would your mother do if she did not receive aid from the government? I don't know, but I can think of a lot of situations that people have that would be better if the government gave them money. We can be thankful that they have not obliged (yet, *knock on wood*).
What do you mean? My mom has been living this life for a while and I think I've heard it all. We need even coverage of people who really need it. At least the government is consistent. It consistent [censored] but the bills do get paid.
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