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Ok I did miss a big chunk of your statement, sorry. Aristotle believed that politics was the most noble thing one could do in life. I believe that service of ones country is indeed one of the most noble things whether it be in politics(I am talking about those who have an original thought and do not just follow private interests, for example), the civil service, military, or any number of jobs out there government or not that serve the national self good and interest. As for the military having to be careful. Naturally they need to be careful of non-combatants but also are under the scrutiny of Middle-Eastern extremists as they take any misstep as ammo for their actions. Also with regards to reports this was the problem in Vietnam because the reporters could go anyway. Now reporters are "embedded" and the military decides what is to be shown and not. The greater problem I see, that the media in their twisted and bias fashion tries to deal with, is the fact the our service men and women are clearly not being trained in the various conventions and treaties such as the Geneva Convention. I'm sorry but if a reporter saw a soldier shooting someone who is clearly a non-combatant then I believe it is their duty to report it. The problem is how the media twists everything to the point that the real problems get lost. They have turned the various infraction of the Geneva Convention on to a direct attack on the administration, where some blame perhaps should go, but the real blame should be the military that is not training their people.
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While I do agree with you on most points, I do have an objection to this one: Quote:
the fact the our service men and women are clearly not being trained in the various conventions and treaties such as the Geneva Convention
I can tell you for a fact that in Marine Corps bootcamp we are hammered on the Geneva Conventions constantly. It was literally part of our daily routine, one of many that in the future prepare you for combat. (Such as reciting the UCMJ constantly through the day, or even as simple as holding your hand over your milk when you walk thru the chowhall saying "Gangway, live grenade!")
The problem I have with the media reporting is that you never know the full story, as you weren't "there" yourself. Such as when the Marine shot an "unarmed man". After reading the reports of the days activities, and what had just transpired, I can say without a shadow of a doubt, I would have shot him too. In this war especially, a wounded enemy can still kill multiple soldiers. The enemy is known to use suicide attacks on a daily basis, thus even a wounded enemy is a threat, and he damn well better not flinch while I've got an M16A2 trained on him. 
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Most of you CEG'ers are young (and maybe that explanins it) why so Right Wing and War Loving???????????
I know he was just being a troll, but here goes anyways...
You put a rather broad blanket over everyone here. To begin with, young has nothing to do with it. I am a young professional (30 years old), but I have already served as an officer in the US Marines, and I own multiple businesses of my own now that I am back in the civilian world.
No-one, not even trained soldiers such as myself, love war. Do you think I seriously WANT to see my friends and loved ones go off to war? Hell no. But, do I support them when I feel the need is great, or our freedoms are in peril? Hell yes.
I'd wager a months salary that I am a MORE informed American than you. I read no less than 10 different papers a day, and I follow hundreds of news sites weekly. (Left and Right-wing American news, plus multiple foreign news agencies. Ah the benefits of being multi-lingual.) This was all left over from my intel days, when we spent hours every day gathering information from our sources. I cannot live without my quest for knowledge, and I base my opinions on the facts available. I am by no means a puppet for anybody, nor was I during my service to this country.
The problem I have with people like you stems from your blatant overgeneralizations of an entire political belief. Now my question to you, have you ever served in the Military, or your country in any fashion? What have YOU done to deserve the very freedoms that you enjoy daily, besides [censored] when the real men take on the fight to protect your freedoms?
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Being against war does NOT EQUATE to being against the troops (though the Right wingers Love to imply same)..
They are doing their jobs, which is what they signed up for (I just wish they weren't there in harms way for Dubious Reasons).........
I was born an American, just like you and thats all you need to do for your freedom. You don't have to be in the services to be patriotic or a "real man" ( get over that Macho Pyschotic Crap) You Joined the military for your own reasons and I don't question them. Don't try to shame the civilians for not always supporting the people who create conflicts and put you and the rest of our guys at risk. Funny ,I thought that was what all this fighting was for,FREEDOM.......
I agree, we all have our opinions and we'll have this discussion again. I was just being honest about politics with the Dem comment and tax cuts (primaily for the wealthy) aren't everything. Besides (fed taxes go down/State and local go up, gotta pay on way or another)
BTW my brother who has 2 kids and makes less than $40,000 a year loves the "tax cuts" and he gets no benefits from them??????
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Originally posted by EternalOne:
The problem I have with the media reporting is that you never know the full story, as you weren't "there" yourself.
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OMG!!!
They wouldn't leave things out of a story to slant public opinion, would they? They're professionals! Couldn't happen! NEVER!
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by supertouringmike:
BTW my brother who has 2 kids and makes less than $40,000 a year loves the "tax cuts" and he gets no benefits from them??????
I didn't get much out of the tax cuts either, but I still think they're the greatest domestic achievements of the Bush Administration (I guess that's not saying too much, but whatever).
I don't judge a government policy or program based on what I'm going to get out of it. I look at what it does for the health of our republic. Tax cuts like the Bush Administration has given us are great for our country.
A liberal icon once said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country". I wonder what happened to this idea in the minds of the left.
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Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Originally posted by EternalOne:
Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Most of you CEG'ers are young (and maybe that explanins it) why so Right Wing and War Loving???????????
I know he was just being a troll, but here goes anyways...
You put a rather broad blanket over everyone here. To begin with, young has nothing to do with it. I am a young professional (30 years old), but I have already served as an officer in the US Marines, and I own multiple businesses of my own now that I am back in the civilian world.
No-one, not even trained soldiers such as myself, love war. Do you think I seriously WANT to see my friends and loved ones go off to war? Hell no. But, do I support them when I feel the need is great, or our freedoms are in peril? Hell yes.
I'd wager a months salary that I am a MORE informed American than you. I read no less than 10 different papers a day, and I follow hundreds of news sites weekly. (Left and Right-wing American news, plus multiple foreign news agencies. Ah the benefits of being multi-lingual.) This was all left over from my intel days, when we spent hours every day gathering information from our sources. I cannot live without my quest for knowledge, and I base my opinions on the facts available. I am by no means a puppet for anybody, nor was I during my service to this country.
The problem I have with people like you stems from your blatant overgeneralizations of an entire political belief. Now my question to you, have you ever served in the Military, or your country in any fashion? What have YOU done to deserve the very freedoms that you enjoy daily, besides [censored] when the real men take on the fight to protect your freedoms?
E1
Being against war does NOT EQUATE to being against the troops (though the Right wingers Love to imply same)..
They are doing their jobs, which is what they signed up for (I just wish they weren't there in harms way for Dubious Reasons).........
I was born an American, just like you and thats all you need to do for your freedom. You don't have to be in the services to be patriotic or a "real man" ( get over that Macho Pyschotic Crap) You Joined the military for your own reasons and I don't question them. Don't try to shame the civilians for not always supporting the people who create conflicts and put you and the rest of our guys at risk. Funny ,I thought that was what all this fighting was for,FREEDOM.......
I agree, we all have our opinions and we'll have this discussion again. I was just being honest about politics with the Dem comment and tax cuts (primaily for the wealthy) aren't everything. Besides (fed taxes go down/State and local go up, gotta pay on way or another)
BTW my brother who has 2 kids and makes less than $40,000 a year loves the "tax cuts" and he gets no benefits from them??????
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Originally posted by EternalOne:
Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Most of you CEG'ers are young (and maybe that explanins it) why so Right Wing and War Loving???????????
I know he was just being a troll, but here goes anyways...
You put a rather broad blanket over everyone here. To begin with, young has nothing to do with it. I am a young professional (30 years old), but I have already served as an officer in the US Marines, and I own multiple businesses of my own now that I am back in the civilian world.
No-one, not even trained soldiers such as myself, love war. Do you think I seriously WANT to see my friends and loved ones go off to war? Hell no. But, do I support them when I feel the need is great, or our freedoms are in peril? Hell yes.
I'd wager a months salary that I am a MORE informed American than you. I read no less than 10 different papers a day, and I follow hundreds of news sites weekly. (Left and Right-wing American news, plus multiple foreign news agencies. Ah the benefits of being multi-lingual.) This was all left over from my intel days, when we spent hours every day gathering information from our sources. I cannot live without my quest for knowledge, and I base my opinions on the facts available. I am by no means a puppet for anybody, nor was I during my service to this country.
The problem I have with people like you stems from your blatant overgeneralizations of an entire political belief. Now my question to you, have you ever served in the Military, or your country in any fashion? What have YOU done to deserve the very freedoms that you enjoy daily, besides [censored] when the real men take on the fight to protect your freedoms?
E1
Being against war does NOT EQUATE to being against the troops (though the Right wingers Love to imply same)..
They are doing their jobs, which is what they signed up for (I just wish they weren't there in harms way for Dubious Reasons).........
I was born an American, just like you and thats all you need to do for your freedom. You don't have to be in the services to be patriotic or a "real man" ( get over that Macho Pyschotic Crap) You Joined the military for your own reasons and I don't question them. Don't try to shame the civilians for not always supporting the people who create conflicts and put you and the rest of our guys at risk. Funny ,I thought that was what all this fighting was for,FREEDOM.......
I agree, we all have our opinions and we'll have this discussion again. I was just being honest about politics with the Dem comment and tax cuts (primaily for the wealthy) aren't everything. Besides (fed taxes go down/State and local go up, gotta pay on way or another)
BTW my brother who has 2 kids and makes less than $40,000 a year loves the "tax cuts" and he gets no benefits from them??????
Or we can take an otherwise civil arguement to a childish name calling one...
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Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Originally posted by EternalOne:
Originally posted by supertouringmike:
Most of you CEG'ers are young (and maybe that explanins it) why so Right Wing and War Loving???????????
I know he was just being a troll, but here goes anyways...
You put a rather broad blanket over everyone here. To begin with, young has nothing to do with it. I am a young professional (30 years old), but I have already served as an officer in the US Marines, and I own multiple businesses of my own now that I am back in the civilian world.
No-one, not even trained soldiers such as myself, love war. Do you think I seriously WANT to see my friends and loved ones go off to war? Hell no. But, do I support them when I feel the need is great, or our freedoms are in peril? Hell yes.
I'd wager a months salary that I am a MORE informed American than you. I read no less than 10 different papers a day, and I follow hundreds of news sites weekly. (Left and Right-wing American news, plus multiple foreign news agencies. Ah the benefits of being multi-lingual.) This was all left over from my intel days, when we spent hours every day gathering information from our sources. I cannot live without my quest for knowledge, and I base my opinions on the facts available. I am by no means a puppet for anybody, nor was I during my service to this country.
The problem I have with people like you stems from your blatant overgeneralizations of an entire political belief. Now my question to you, have you ever served in the Military, or your country in any fashion? What have YOU done to deserve the very freedoms that you enjoy daily, besides [censored] when the real men take on the fight to protect your freedoms?
E1
Being against war does NOT EQUATE to being against the troops (though the Right wingers Love to imply same)..
They are doing their jobs, which is what they signed up for (I just wish they weren't there in harms way for Dubious Reasons).........
I was born an American, just like you and thats all you need to do for your freedom. You don't have to be in the services to be patriotic or a "real man" ( get over that Macho Pyschotic Crap) You Joined the military for your own reasons and I don't question them. Don't try to shame the civilians for not always supporting the people who create conflicts and put you and the rest of our guys at risk. Funny ,I thought that was what all this fighting was for,FREEDOM.......
I agree, we all have our opinions and we'll have this discussion again. I was just being honest about politics with the Dem comment and tax cuts (primaily for the wealthy) aren't everything. Besides (fed taxes go down/State and local go up, gotta pay on way or another)
BTW my brother who has 2 kids and makes less than $40,000 a year loves the "tax cuts" and he gets no benefits from them??????
actually if you call getting an extra thousand dollar deduction per child as not benefitting from them then yeah i guess your brother didn't ...all i know is when tax time came this year i had an extra $1000 deduction because i have a child,so i benefitted from it and i think it is great,and i hope it stays ariound for awhile....that among many other things is why i voted the way i voted and i am glad i did...
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Well all this talk about being a soldier and what not and being christian and what not. If people were as christian as they say ther were they wouldnt want to be a soldier as christians dont kill people. Going to war in the name of christianity is pretty hypocritical is you ask me. I love my country though I am talking about Canada and not the US, but I would never put my self in a position to take another life, as I believe that is the absolute worst thing anyone can ever do to another person. Now all this banter about Dems VS Rebs is kind of moronic too. They both have their ups and downs, scandals and corruoptions, you just like who you like depending on how you were raised and what values you have. Too argue about partisan politics is to miss the point, the government is there to make the country better, not to have an excuse to start a fight as in all this filibuster stuff im seeing in the news. Man, maybe if they stopped the petty fighting they could stop and work on the US's big problems with social security and illegal immigration and outsourcing american jobs, oh but what, that last one dont count because we live in a capitalist society and well, capitalism is about making money, right? not about being patriotic. If i business can make more money having some Indian people answering your tech support questions, theyre gonna do it. Hmmmm, maybe a little shift to some communist ideas wouldnt be such a bad thing now eh?
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Originally posted by loggerbomb:
Hmmmm, maybe a little shift to some communist ideas wouldnt be such a bad thing now eh?
Yea, it worked for russia didn't it. 
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