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just don't put it on any future jobs apps/resumes.
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Originally posted by frenchblueC2:
why would you just take the time off without an acknowlegement from your boss about your time off email?
That's because 99% of college students haven't had a taste of the real world, and think that skipping a day of work is like skipping a day of class. But here comes reality to bite them in the ass, with a pink slip telling them they're no longer welcome. It'd be kinda nice to see Universities do the same thing with kids that just don't show up . I'm with Sigma also, you can't just email your boss with the impression that you can just take the day off. First off, you're going to need to "request" the day off, not demand it. Second, why wouldn't you confirm with your boss that you could have that period of time off? He/she's your boss, I'm sure you could go up to him/her and ask if they received your email?!?! I'd take this as a learning experience, as it doesn't appear college has given you one so far.
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jesus... you people are harsh!
perhaps you haven't worked in/around a college town before, or in a large one like AA or EL. but around those areas, it is common knowledge that students schedules will get a little hairy around finals, and as i had said, i've never seen an employer have a problem with it, even with short notice.
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Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
jesus... you people are harsh!
perhaps you haven't worked in/around a college town before, or in a large one like AA or EL. but around those areas, it is common knowledge that students schedules will get a little hairy around finals, and as i had said, i've never seen an employer have a problem with it, even with short notice.
Harsh? I'm not a full time college student, but maybe I can pull this thread up when I just don't show up to work tomorrow. You think that will get any sympathy from my boss? It doesn't matter what town you're from, a job has to be done. If taking those days off was THAT important, he could have confirmed the days off with his boss. And the last time I checked, Universities scheduled their Finals at the END of a semester. So it's not like Finals crept up on him. He had pleanty of time to let his boss know that he needed some time off to study. I'm fortunate enough to work for a company where I can take tomorrow off if I want, as long as I turn in a slip today stating I'll be gone, but I'm also a salary employee. Most places want 2 weeks notice for any personal/vacation time you take, full-time employee or not. I just don't see why college kids think their life is so important that the world has to stop for their needs  .
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Originally posted by Y2KSVT:
I just don't see why college kids think their life is so important that the world has to stop for their needs .
yes, i'm sure that's what they think.
it has more to do with accepted common pratices. if people are used to employers being very flexible about calling off for finals, then why is it so wrong for someone to wonder why this particular employer wasn't?
right or wrong, we are shaped by common expectations that produce common results. it's not so crazy to wonder why things didn't go as they commonly do.
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Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
jesus... you people are harsh!
perhaps you haven't worked in/around a college town before, or in a large one like AA or EL. but around those areas, it is common knowledge that students schedules will get a little hairy around finals, and as i had said, i've never seen an employer have a problem with it, even with short notice.
As I said in my posts, I worked for the college for all 4 years I was there. I know exactly how it is. And if you skipped out on work you were fired. Plain and simple. This was made very clear; and I saw a lot of people skip work and be subsequently fired. If they were lucky and were good workers theyt got one warning. 2 days and you were fired without question, no exuses. This was the policy at every department on campus I worked for.
If we asked for time off during finals we got it. More often than not. But only provided that someone was willing to work your spot (which was usually me). The work still has to be done. It doesn't just stop because you're not there. If your boss could get by without you at work he wouldn't have hired you in the first place.
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it has more to do with accepted common pratices. if people are used to employers being very flexible about calling off for finals, then why is it so wrong for someone to wonder why this particular employer wasn't?
Don't tell me that the common practice is just not to show up. To be unusually flexible that time of year, yes. To call in and get confirmation that you won't be there even at the last minute, I could understand. Even calling in "sick" I could understand, we had a lot of that when I was working on campus. But just not showing up is not "common practice" no matter how much you want to believe that it is.
And e-mailing that you're just not gonna show up. I wouldn't respond to that email either. I'd fire you just for having the outright gall to tell me when you're not going to come to work. I wouldn't respond and give you the luxury of coming in and trying to save your ass or getting an extra week to look for the new job you're going to need.
If it was "common practice" then the school would just shut down and no student employees would work. It'd be easier for everybody.
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Originally posted by sigma:
If your boss could get by without you at work he wouldn't have hired you in the first place.
I like that line!
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Originally posted by sigma:
Don't tell me that the common practice is just not to show up. To be unusually flexible that time of year, yes. To call in and get confirmation that you won't be there, I could understand. Even calling in "sick" I could understand, we had a lot of that when I was working on campus. But just not showing up is not "common practice" no matter how much you want to believe that it is.
hello, he said that he let him know he wouldn't be coming in. he didn't just "not show up".
obviously no call/no show is grounds for termination. calling/emailing in during the week of finals is pretty friggin far from unheard of. at least in these parts. 
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Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
Originally posted by sigma:
Don't tell me that the common practice is just not to show up. To be unusually flexible that time of year, yes. To call in and get confirmation that you won't be there, I could understand. Even calling in "sick" I could understand, we had a lot of that when I was working on campus. But just not showing up is not "common practice" no matter how much you want to believe that it is.
hello, he said that he let him know he wouldn't be coming in. he didn't just "not show up".
obviously no call/no show is grounds for termination. calling/emailing in during the week of finals is pretty friggin far from unheard of. at least in these parts.
Sorry, just added this edit to my above post:
And e-mailing that you're just not gonna show up. I wouldn't respond to that email either. I'd fire you just for having the outright gall to tell me when you're not going to come to work because it inconveniences you. I wouldn't respond and give you the luxury of coming in and trying to save your ass or getting an extra week to look for the new job you're going to need. The only time where "I'm sorry I'm not going to able to make it work tomorrow" is acceptable is when someone dies (or perhaps if you're vommiting all over the place or something). All other occassions time off from work, particularly when it's only a matter of convenience, is a request.
I can take time off work whenever I want. My boss doesn't care and would never make an objection to me taking time off. But even though I know this I still ask for the days off, even though it's "common practice" for me to just take off whenever I need to.
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You can't just email your boss with the impression that you can just take the day off. First off, you're going to need to "request" the day off, not demand it. Second, why wouldn't you confirm with your boss that you could have that period of time off? He/she's your boss, I'm sure you could go up to him/her and ask if they received your email?!?! I'd take this as a learning experience, as it doesn't appear college has given you one so far.
We do not have a system of requesting a day off. Iâ??m not sure about your experiences with college jobs, but it is quite the contrary to my experiences. I have held an ideal position (internship at NIH) and small part-time jobs through the University, and there are clear differences between the two. I have held three positions in various fields and have never had any procedures of requesting a day off when in need. Furthermore, as a student in college, dates change: exam dates, professorâ??s office hours, various tutoring hours, etcâ?¦ I come from a large University, where there is no uniformity to a schedule. Employers are expected to understand constant time-shifts from student employees, it is a very common procedure.
In response to â??I'd take this as a learning experience, as it doesn't appear college has given you one so far,â? I donâ??t think you know enough about me or my educational and personal achievements to make this comment.
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Simply, because I do not have the time to follow it up. I left an email with plenty of time for response. I have final exams, and do not have the clarity of mind to follow it up; Iâ??d expect them to respond in a timely fashion. I have worked here for two years and I have always used this procedure. Just because your procedures are different does not mean that my methods are wrong. I have had different positions in different fields and each one have had different procedures for notification.
If this were a full-time position, I would have to agree with you. I think many people fail to understand that this is not a high-paying full-time position. Sigma states that if I were working for him, he would have fired me, but why would you hire a college student whom you know is working on several other endeavors? Cheap work? It should be expected that the student will not be able to be fully committed. If you need a fully committed person, go hire someone who can run mass specs and HPLCs all day long and see what it comes to. 30 maybe 40k a year? However, if you hire a college student, you can pay them next to McDonald wages and get away with it (I make $12/hr). There is a lot more to this than I think you understand.
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I just don't see why college kids think their life is so important that the world has to stop for their needs.
One of my finals made a drastic change in date. I had a hell of time accommodating it. There are rules and policies that state that you cannot have X amount of exams in a given time. I had to argue this out with my school to get one of my finals adjusted. I wish I had the convenience as it appears some of you have had in college, but I have many other things going on besides one college job. The place that employed me knew that I was working more than one job while doing 15+ hours of research, yet they still hired me.
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The only time where "I'm sorry I'm not going to able to make it work tomorrow" is acceptable is when someone dies (or perhaps if you're vommiting all over the place or something). All other occassions time off from work, particularly when it's only a matter of convenience, is a request.
Not when your dates change at short notices. I completely disagree with you Sigma. You compare this as if it were a full-time position where I was making a considerable amount of money. I think the major consequence for an employer when hiring college students is that they must be extremely flexible. However, by being flexible they are able to hire cheap labor.
Your experiences of college employment are quite contrary to mine. I find it unlikely if not impossible for a college student to maintain their schedule around the year precisely as they want. This may just highlight some of the contrasts between your curriculum and mine. It is in my experience that my schedule changes weekly, if not daily from what I plan it to be. My employer hired me with knowledge that I had other obligations; the fact is they booted me because of their own agenda. An update to this post is that I recently found out today is that the other assistant was fired too. We both are graduating within a year. The freshman that works with us, who I just finished training, is currently doing 3hrs/week and is still working with them. Iâ??m making a lot of speculations here, but it seems like my hunch was correct; in with the new and out with the old.
Guysâ?¦I worked there for two years. I have kept my schedule updated weekly using this method for two years. Trust me, I understand the differences between working full-time and my situation. I had hoped you guys would understand the differences.
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