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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
Actually, even last year against the Lakers, you could have made the argument the Pistons stacked up well against the Lakers.
People said this after the Finals were over, but not before. Your match-ups work in hindsight, but not in foresight.
Actually, last year, most of us in Detroit were pretty confident about the matchups. There was a worry about Sheed because of his foot problems, but he was starting to get better by that point. With the rest of the country, you are correct, they didn't give the Pistons a chance with the exception of Bill Walton.
I don't think any of us expected the utter domination that occured, but I had the Pistons in 6.
errr...i take that back, it wasn't Bill Walton, it was Bill Russell.
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People in Detroit were confident about the match-ups? Damn, okay, I guess all my points are completely invalid now. 
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Originally posted by Davo:
People in Detroit were confident about the match-ups? Damn, okay, I guess all my points are completely invalid now.
I didn't say that, but your point about the matchups are only because of hindsight are true for most people. The majority of the sports fans/analysts/writers etc said a collective "told you so" after what transpired. Like I said, no one objective was projecting a sweep, but we were pretty confident of a 6-7 game series win.
You obviously wouldn't be aware of that, so it's not your fault.
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Originally posted by 00SVT:
you've gotta look at it a bit more objectively than,
"Well, they had the 3rd best record in the East and Ben Gordon rules and they play defense and they're young..."
Not to be an a$$ but I'll repost some stuff in case you missed it.
I like this debate thats why Bulls Pistons was a great rivalry and will be again.
The Bulls have the best D in the league if you go by opponents field goal %.
And last time I checked good D usually wins games.
They have the best bench in the league going by offensive production. Depth is the point here.
I think it would be a great series but it ain't happening so I'm not going to get into all the matchups.
And they had great games against the Pistons with the exception of a few key moments.
Point there is they've already beaten the Pistons. And there's reason to have confidence against them.
Losing Curry and Deng was huge but I ain't writing them off yet.
I don't mind the homer label. I'll admit that freely.
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Originally posted by 04marauder:
The Bulls have the best D in the league if you go by opponents field goal %.
OK, by 8 thousandths of a percentage point. But if we look at PPG, Detroit is second, 4 points ahead of Chicago. We're splitting hairs here. We'll use whatever stat proves our point.
Originally posted by 04marauder:
They have the best bench in the league going by offensive production. Depth is the point here.
But they're not deep right now!!! OK, Gordon averaged about 15 a game. I'm not debating his talents. But do Chandler and Piatkowski even average that combined? That's as far as they're going down their bench. They've got depth with Curry and Deng healthy. Without them, Skiles doesn't have much of a bench beyond Gordon. Chandler will eat up minutes but that's because Othella Harrington isn't any good.
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Your "defense wins games" statement would have merit with a opponent that wasn't widely acknowledged as having one of the top 2-3 defenses in the league. Besides, just using opposing teams FG% as the only statistical criteria for saying they are the best defense is not very realistic. While they were allowing a worse percentage to opponents, they were also giving up more points because they turn the ball over almost 20% more than the Pistons. They also tend to be a little more reckless on D, allowing opposing teams to get to the line 25% more often than Detroit.
Again, good team, might even sneak a game or two away from Detroit with some breaks.
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Agreed on the misleading statistics part. Charlotte (I think) was the top rebounding team in the league. This may sound great, until you learn that they're also the top brick-throwers in the league, so it only makes sense that they happen to grab a few of their bricks, more than other teams.
This debate about how the Bulls would do against the Pistons is dumb. 1) They're not going to meet, 2) The Bulls would have almost no chance.
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Originally posted by 04marauder:
And last time I checked good D usually wins games.
The last time I checked, whoever scored the most points usually wins the game.
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Originally posted by TexasRealtor:
Originally posted by 04marauder:
And last time I checked good D usually wins games.
The last time I checked, whoever scored the most points usually wins the game.
LOL 
And if you can't score you can't ....
Nevermind
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