Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by JaTo:
it's simply a matter of commonly-held belief structures in creating order, peace and control that EVERY religion or political structure usually holds themselves to.


Agreed, which is IMO how the majority of our Founding Fathers considered religion. The few that specifically mentioned the teachings of Jesus Christ usually focused on his morality lessons, not the miracles. FWIW other religions also have the same view of Jesus.

The only reason I brought this aspect up is because saying "our Founding documents were founded on Christian principles" implies that our Founding Fathers were devout Christians who accepted the word of the Christian Church. From what you've posted I believe you don't agree with this, nor should anyone who's read these documents.



I disagree that it implies that they were devout; I would agree that it does imply that the majority were brought up in a Christian environment that shaped and molded their thoughts and beliefs, which resonated in the way they governed, passed laws, debated and ultimately lived. I can't comment on the individual "devoutness" of each impactful leader that railed against the British Crown back then; I can comment on the environment they grew up in and lived in, though, as it's been thorougly documented in the annuals of history. That environment was one that was absolutely FULL of Christian principles and given this, the inclusion of the concepts of "God" were NOT a mistake, nor were the exclusions of it in some documents.

I don't believe that the mere mention of "God" in US political documents establishes a irrevocable mandate for Christians in the US, nor does the absence of it in the US Constitution affirm to all the card-carrying ACLU folks that the founders of this country meant for the Christian religion and it's many principles be excluded and wiped out from any and every civic mention due to the PC-weenies chanting their recently-found mantra.

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