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Originally posted by Viss1:
Instead the best support you could find for the "persecution in schools" argument was a pre-semester reading for a college. I'm no lawyer, but if I was defending a grade school student's right to pray in school, I wouldn't use the "colleges make students learn about competing religions" argument and expect the trial to last very long.
I never specified the persecution I was talking about, but persecution is schools is evidence of it elsewhere.
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You also stated If all religion was being eliminated, I wouldn't go the persecution route. UNC's policy shows this isn't the case. UNC students are not forbidden to study Christianity. In fact I bet it's a pretty big part of the Religion curriculum there.
Imagine for a second that they were learning the Gospels, and not the Qu'ran. Do you honestly think that would be okay with left-wing elites? Don't give me the 'well, they don't the Qu'ran, so they should be forced to read it' line. If you do, I will laugh again, and point out all the things kids don't know going into college that they aren't required to learn upon entry. That they aren't prevented from learning Christianity does not disprove my point.
Also, the UNC story is only one of many similar cases.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by spgoode:
The point is that being a college student and a primary school student are very different, and all previous references were about primary school.
The point has nothing to do with what kind of school you're going to. Here is the point, in case you missed it:
Originally posted by Davo:
That's not the argument I'm making. I'm saying Christians are being persecuted. My evidence for this is that everything Christian is being forbidden in public discourse. If all religion was being eliminated, I wouldn't go the persecution route. UNC's policy shows this isn't the case.
Here's your quote:
Originally posted by Davo:
while it's 'Unconstitutional' (not really though) to say a prayer before school, it's certainly acceptable to require kids to memorize the Pillars of Islam and read the Qu'ran for class.
You compared prayer in grade school to "kids" in college reading the Qu'ran. Apples and oranges?
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Originally posted by spgoode:
You compared prayer in grade school to "kids" in college reading the Qu'ran. Apples and oranges?
Not really, when you consider the point I was actually trying to make, which I swear I've said a million times in this thread.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by spgoode:
You compared prayer in grade school to "kids" in college reading the Qu'ran. Apples and oranges?
Not really, when you consider the point I was actually trying to make, which I swear I've said a million times in this thread.
Spgoode couldn't grasp a concept even if it was planted right in front of him.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Viss1:
Instead the best support you could find for the "persecution in schools" argument was a pre-semester reading for a college. I'm no lawyer, but if I was defending a grade school student's right to pray in school, I wouldn't use the "colleges make students learn about competing religions" argument and expect the trial to last very long.
I never specified the persecution I was talking about, but persecution is schools is evidence of it elsewhere.
Originally posted by Viss1:
You also stated If all religion was being eliminated, I wouldn't go the persecution route. UNC's policy shows this isn't the case. UNC students are not forbidden to study Christianity. In fact I bet it's a pretty big part of the Religion curriculum there.
Imagine for a second that they were learning the Gospels, and not the Qu'ran. Do you honestly think that would be okay with left-wing elites? Don't give me the 'well, they don't the Qu'ran, so they should be forced to read it' line. If you do, I will laugh again, and point out all the things kids don't know going into college that they aren't required to learn upon entry. That they aren't prevented from learning Christianity does not disprove my point.
Also, the UNC story is only one of many similar cases.
So rather than the "left-wing elites" we're listen to a rightwing extremist(you) prattle on about how his poor religeon is not getting the respect he feels it deserves?  Your point seems to be that it's Ok to whine as long as it conforms to what you agree with.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by spgoode:
You compared prayer in grade school to "kids" in college reading the Qu'ran. Apples and oranges?
Not really, when you consider the point I was actually trying to make, which I swear I've said a million times in this thread.
This is the point you were trying to make, no?
Originally posted by Davo:
I'm saying Christians are being persecuted. My evidence for this is that everything Christian is being forbidden in public discourse.
I think everyone gets your point, it's the evidence that's missing.
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
So rather than the "left-wing elites" we're listen to a rightwing extremist(you) prattle on about how his poor religeon is not getting the respect he feels it deserves? Your point seems to be that it's Ok to whine as long as it conforms to what you agree with.
 Where did you pull that from?
...but on that note, I take some comfort in knowing the left-wing elites fear religion so much they're doing everything they can to eliminate it from all public consciousness.
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by spgoode:
You compared prayer in grade school to "kids" in college reading the Qu'ran. Apples and oranges?
Not really, when you consider the point I was actually trying to make, which I swear I've said a million times in this thread.
Spgoode couldn't grasp a concept even if it was planted right in front of him.
I seem to be doing alright with my poor intellect. Two degrees and running my own business.
How's your life and career going?
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It's mind-boggling to me that anyone could say Christianity is being "forbidden" in any sense today in the US. It's literally everywhere you look - TV (dedicated channels), movies (seen what Kirk Cameron's been up to lately?), books (fiction and non-fiction, too many to list), Government (not only is the Prez an evangelical, but in order to get anywhere in the Republican party you have to pretend to be devout), hell, you can't even watch a NASCAR race without hearing the term "good Christian" every 5 minutes.
My point is Christianity is and has been so ingrained into American culture that I don't see how efforts to educate the public about other religions can be seen as a threat. Now, I freely admit that for a while during the Clinton administration the wackos on the left were getting pretty vocal, probably got more attention than they deserved... but that's pretty far behind us at this point.
I the end I have to say anyone who is non-Christian is probably laughing at the claims of those who say Christianity is being persecuted in the States today.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by RT and his SE:
So rather than the "left-wing elites" we're listen to a rightwing extremist(you) prattle on about how his poor religeon is not getting the respect he feels it deserves? Your point seems to be that it's Ok to whine as long as it conforms to what you agree with.
Where did you pull that from?
...but on that note, I take some comfort in knowing the left-wing elites fear religion so much they're doing everything they can to eliminate it from all public consciousness.
Do you read your own writing?
So only right wingers are religious now?
Cornered the market on God now have we?
Take comfort in your ignorance and hopefully it serves you well.
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