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Yeah, but that's college... usually when "prayer in schools" is brought up people are referring to grade/high school. Hell, in college one can even become a Religion major if he chooses.
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I was going to wager $20 that I'd get a 'Yeah, but...', but unfortunately I didn't. If you don't think this is wrong, would you if what they were required to read was the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
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Originally posted by Davo:
I was going to wager $20 that I'd get a 'Yeah, but...', but unfortunately I didn't.
If you knew it was a shaky example, why did you post it? 
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If you don't think this is wrong, would you if what they were required to read was the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John?
Who said I didn't think it was wrong? I thought it was a stupid move on UNC's part. But using it as support for the "they're trying to take my religion away" argument doesn't hold up.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
There are many places in Europe that already forbid the display of any religious icons in public. In other words, you can't wear a Cross or Star of David around your neck within public view.
You are referring to schools in France?
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
At the same time, many of these same places turn a blind eye if you march around with a pagan symbol on your T-shirt.
B.S. You have some imagination.
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Yet if a child mumbles a prayer in school, he/she is suspended or expelled. Where is the outcry on this abuse of first amendment rights???
BS you say? I was the one suspended & threatened with expulsion when I continued to speak a prayer each morning at school back in 1975. I was 12 years old, but I knew enough to ask about my first amendment right. After almost 2 weeks, the school board backed down on legal advice & I went back to classes..
So nothing happened to you. That's some persecution.
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
I'll be damned if anybody is gonna PREVENT me from exercising my faith to the extent allowed under constitutional protection.
I don't see anyone stopping you.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
If you knew it was a shaky example, why did you post it?
That's not my point. I could have posted a picture of a college professor or high school teacher making their students read the Qu'ran and pray at gunpoint and I still would have gotten a 'Yeah, but..'.
Originally posted by Viss1:
Who said I didn't think it was wrong? I thought it was a stupid move on UNC's part. But using it as support for the "they're trying to take my religion away" argument doesn't hold up.
That's not the argument I'm making. I'm saying Christians are being persecuted. My evidence for this is that everything Christian is being forbidden in public discourse. If all religion was being eliminated, I wouldn't go the persecution route. UNC's policy shows this isn't the case.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
There are many places in Europe that already forbid the display of any religious icons in public. In other words, you can't wear a Cross or Star of David around your neck within public view.
You are referring to schools in France?
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
At the same time, many of these same places turn a blind eye if you march around with a pagan symbol on your T-shirt.
B.S. You have some imagination.
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
Yet if a child mumbles a prayer in school, he/she is suspended or expelled. Where is the outcry on this abuse of first amendment rights???
BS you say? I was the one suspended & threatened with expulsion when I continued to speak a prayer each morning at school back in 1975. I was 12 years old, but I knew enough to ask about my first amendment right. After almost 2 weeks, the school board backed down on legal advice & I went back to classes..
So nothing happened to you. That's some persecution.
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
I'll be damned if anybody is gonna PREVENT me from exercising my faith to the extent allowed under constitutional protection.
I don't see anyone stopping you.
Do you have anything actually relevant to contribute?
When was the last time you were in france? Hell, you can even see this kinda chiz on TV if you look for it.
I (a 12 year old kid) was suspended for nearly two weeks pending a possible expulsion. You call that nothing?
And yes, trying to prevent somebody from exercising their first amendment right to free speech on the basis that that speech is religious is, in fact, persecution.
On your way, little one.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
I (a 12 year old kid) was suspended for nearly two weeks pending a possible expulsion. You call that nothing?
Yes, and then they admitted they were wrong and let you continue to babble nonsense during lunch and disrupt other students.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by Viss1:
If you knew it was a shaky example, why did you post it?
That's not my point. I could have posted a picture of a college professor or high school teacher making their students read the Qu'ran and pray at gunpoint and I still would have gotten a 'Yeah, but..'.
The point is that being a college student and a primary school student are very different, and all previous references were about primary school.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
The point is that being a college student and a primary school student are very different, and all previous references were about primary school.
The point has nothing to do with what kind of school you're going to. Here is the point, in case you missed it:
Originally posted by Davo:
That's not the argument I'm making. I'm saying Christians are being persecuted. My evidence for this is that everything Christian is being forbidden in public discourse. If all religion was being eliminated, I wouldn't go the persecution route. UNC's policy shows this isn't the case.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
I (a 12 year old kid) was suspended for nearly two weeks pending a possible expulsion. You call that nothing?
Yes, and then they admitted they were wrong and let you continue to babble nonsense during lunch and disrupt other students.
Are you thick or supm'? Who said anything about disruptions, or lunch?
The fact of the matter is they tried to deny my 1st amendment right. Pretty profound task for a 12 year old to take on I thought.
You seem to see me as some sort of villan here. I see myself as a protector of the constitution against an institution that should know better. The same institution that "teaches" your kids & mine. I don't understand why you're even attempting to defend their behavior here...
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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