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Originally posted by Th_m_s:
Do you think the priests who molest young children are religious?
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Originally posted by Th_m_s:
Do you think the evil priests believe that God will forgive them because of their religion?
yes
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Originally posted by TourDeForce:
persecution of the faithful.
Just curious, who's being persecuted? If anything the US is more pro-religion now than it's been in the past 3 decades.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
persecution of the faithful.
Just curious, who's being persecuted? If anything the US is more pro-religion now than it's been in the past 3 decades.
But they won't let us put our manger scene at the courthouse.  Not enough people will see it in my front yard.
Damn constitution!
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Originally posted by Th_m_s:
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
I can think of a worse crime, a Cardinal who tries to cover it up. That being said, a small percentage of any and every social/political group are evil. You aren't breaking any ground here.
Do you think the priests who molest young children are religious? Do you think the evil priests believe that God will forgive them because of their religion? I don�t think there is a worse crime. When a young child is molested it leaves emotional problems that the child may not ever recover from. Children are so young and innocent. I will never understand why a person would make them a victim of such a terrible crime.
Hrmmm...I'm not entirely sure what your point is? You said that priests that molest kids are evil. I agree. But people who do that are obviously not normal. I believe the worse crime was the Bishop/Cardinal who tried to cover up the issue and just moved the priest to another parish instead of resolving the issue immediately by removing him from the priesthood and allowing the law to handle the situation. Being of a sane mental state and allowing these actions to continue is much more vile to me.
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Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
Originally posted by Th_m_s:
Originally posted by Pope Dnewma IV:
I can think of a worse crime, a Cardinal who tries to cover it up. That being said, a small percentage of any and every social/political group are evil. You aren't breaking any ground here.
Do you think the priests who molest young children are religious? Do you think the evil priests believe that God will forgive them because of their religion? I don�t think there is a worse crime. When a young child is molested it leaves emotional problems that the child may not ever recover from. Children are so young and innocent. I will never understand why a person would make them a victim of such a terrible crime.
Hrmmm...I'm not entirely sure what your point is? You said that priests that molest kids are evil. I agree. But people who do that are obviously not normal. I believe the worse crime was the Bishop/Cardinal who tried to cover up the issue and just moved the priest to another parish instead of resolving the issue immediately by removing him from the priesthood and allowing the law to handle the situation. Being of a sane mental state and allowing these actions to continue is much more vile to me.
Imagine if Cardinal Law was a public school superintendant and he moved teachers to different schools when he found out they were molesting children.  He'd be in prison.
If you're a cardinal it gets you a premier spot on an international stage, presiding over the popes funeral.
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I see what you mean. It seems like the church tried to cover up the crime and allowed the priest to continue molesting children. It almost seems like no one really cared.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by TourDeForce:
persecution of the faithful.
Just curious, who's being persecuted? If anything the US is more pro-religion now than it's been in the past 3 decades.
But they won't let us put our manger scene at the courthouse. Not enough people will see it in my front yard.
Damn constitution!
Easy now, kids.
I don't think things are more pro-religion. Since the election of President Bush, they seem to be a little less anti-religion, I'll give you that...
There are many places in Europe that already forbid the display of any religious icons in public. In other words, you can't wear a Cross or Star of David around your neck within public view. At the same time, many of these same places turn a blind eye if you march around with a pagan symbol on your T-shirt. That is the direction I see things going here in the US if we're not careful. Not a big deal you say?
OUR country was founded by people whose predecessors were trying to escape religious persecution. The FIRST amendment to the constitution guarantees free speech. The constitution also guarantees freedom of religious practices so long as they do not infringe on the rights of others. Yet if a child mumbles a prayer in school, he/she is suspended or expelled. Where is the outcry on this abuse of first amendment rights???
BS you say? I was the one suspended & threatened with expulsion when I continued to speak a prayer each morning at school back in 1975. I was 12 years old, but I knew enough to ask about my first amendment right. After almost 2 weeks, the school board backed down on legal advice & I went back to classes.
Our own founding fathers put in place several traditions & observances of religious practice. Why do you suppose they did that?? Were they religious radicals?? I suspect they had the wisdom to understand that the basic principals of religious teachings were a good guide for fair & just governance, nothing more. Nobody was endorsing a particular faith, or imposing it on anybody else, and they were all just fine with it. There is a prayer spoken at the outset of every congressional session - if you choose not to participate - fine, but I'll be damned if anybody is gonna PREVENT me from exercising my faith to the extent allowed under constitutional protection.
Must be that jumbly-wumbly thing happening again.
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Originally posted by spgoode:
But they won't let us put our manger scene at the courthouse. Not enough people will see it in my front yard.
Damn constitution!
I think the examples where kids were suspended for wearing religious medals would be more relevant in this case. Christians are being persecuted by a segment of the left wing; while it's 'Unconstitutional' (not really though) to say a prayer before school, it's certainly acceptable to require kids to memorize the Pillars of Islam and read the Qu'ran for class.
So I wouldn't paint a broad 'religious persecution' brush, but I would say that Christians are being persecuted by certain segments of society.
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Originally posted by Davo:
it's certainly acceptable to require kids to memorize the Pillars of Islam and read the Qu'ran for class.
Really? Any links?
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