Well, after three hours at the dealer today (Mazda Gallery) the deal fell through on a 2004 Titanium Grey for $20,000. They couldn't give me what I wanted for my trade on the G20t eventhough the number was right in front of them.
I gave them one last shot and laid out all the numbers, but I may end up at a different dealer or wait for the used ones to become available.
Just for the record, dealers tradtionally use NADA, not KBB, for used car pricing... right?