Good deal... yeah I know that people refer as the cats in the stock manifolds as pre-cats... but the fact of the matter is that they are cat's too... that was what I was refering to, the cats in the exhaust manifolds (pre-cats, whatever you want to call them) losing those, that was what I was concerned about giving the natural engine rasp back... but the last cat after the Y also known as the "main cat" will be left in, yes. I may change the catback out eventually, but for now I just want to make sure that the MSDS won't give the car a totally different sound as far as the smoothness... and if it does, if there is a quick easy way to fix it, great. Thank you again for all of the help on this topic, I will let you all know how it goes when it's all said and done. Sounds like it will end up pretty nice. Kingpin, you need to post a sound clip of your car too