ok thanks, i thought so. Well on my black CSVT I'm thinking of going with black or gunmetal rims. My top two mavorites are the Enkei MMR2 and the Konig Theory, I believe thats their correct model. Any input would be nice, whatever might look best. I liked the Enkei RS5's two of you had at that last meet, but I think a darker rim would be unique, which I like.