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i like this idea, anyway someone who has the knowledge in this area could put it at the top in a sticky?
why bother? No one ever reads the stickys anyway! 75% of the newbie questions are found in the sticky's and we still end up typing them again.
I resigned myself to just doing the random thing...answering questions at random when I feel I'm in the mood rather than browbeating everyone for not searching. I could answer all of them like I did years ago but now ignore more than half.
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Originally posted by LilStripedRocket:
2001-2003 Escape
1997-2004 Taurus/Sable
1998-2003 Windstar
If you are swimming in money
Jaguar 3.0L
LS 3L V6
Any freakin engine.. 427 Big block would be nice.
Obviously, the engines from the escape and taurus are the most sought after and easiest to obtain/ install. This is my "knowledge list".
the jag and LS 3.0s will NOT work. TH tried to do this for a LONG time and NO dice. If he couldn't well 
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Originally posted by LilStripedRocket:
2001-2003 Escape
1997-2004 Taurus/Sable
1998-2003 Windstar
1997 uses a different bell housing altogether.
Early 98's used a hybrid housing and had a few extra mounting tabs. Could be used but extra hassles.
Late 98's require just a few modifications more then a 99+ Tom used a late MY 98 engine his first 3L build.
2000 MY is a complete bastard year. You never know what mix you are going to get.
01+ engines have revised pistons, upgraded windage tray and pickup, better sensors, et cetera, et cetera...
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I didn't put down the "ideal engine", just years. And your right on the 97.. typo. Didn't know the 00's wer ea biznitch to work with. I know that it seems MOST 3L guys choose the 01 model year fromthe escape/taurus. 3L jag and LS V6 can work out... with LOTS AND LOTS ofmoney... as I posted. 
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So the 01+ Escape/Taurus 3L are pretty much direct drop ins?
I think it would be really cool if someone did a 'Tour 3L Hybrid with the 3L Escape Hybrid engine. With gas at 2.19, that would be sweet, plus you'd get added horses from the electric motor.
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Originally posted by ________:
So the 01+ Escape/Taurus 3L are pretty much direct drop ins?
I think it would be really cool if someone did a 'Tour 3L Hybrid with the 3L Escape Hybrid engine. With gas at 2.19, that would be sweet, plus you'd get added horses from the electric motor.
You're on crack!
It's a totally different architecture, with batterys, and specialised ECU, electronis and sh!t like that.
Plus this is a driver's-car, enthusiast group, not Greenpeace.
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Originally posted by Stazi:
Originally posted by ________:
So the 01+ Escape/Taurus 3L are pretty much direct drop ins?
I think it would be really cool if someone did a 'Tour 3L Hybrid with the 3L Escape Hybrid engine. With gas at 2.19, that would be sweet, plus you'd get added horses from the electric motor.
You're on crack!
It's a totally different architecture, with batterys, and specialised ECU, electronis and sh!t like that.
Plus this is a driver's-car, enthusiast group, not Greenpeace.
not to mention the whopping 133hp it puts out, and i think that the hybrid only come with the 2.3L I4, could be mistaken though, i commonly am
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Originally posted by cliffjohnson:
not to mention the whopping 133hp it puts out, and i think that the hybrid only come with the 2.3L I4, could be mistaken though, i commonly am
No, you are correct. 2.3L I4 + electric motor for ~200HP and high 20s in gas mileage.
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I know this is OT, but needs to be pointed out!
Hybrids in their current state are a JOKE! What do I mean by this? Simple economics will prevail to show what I am getting at.
I discovered this information while researching for a commuting car. I am moving 65 miles away from my job, so my daily commute will now be 130 miles a day. Obviously, I needed something that gets great gas mileage. My requirements:
1) Must be a 4 door sedan because I have a 2 yr. old child and rear seat accessability is a must on the weekends. Right off the bat, this excluded the best gasoline car of the lot, the Honda Civic HX because it is only offered as a coupe. However, to make my point, I will use it as an example.
Below is a refined list that I had to choose from based solely on gasoline consumption. I ruled out diesel power because VW is the only producer of cars in the US with diesel engines and well, their QC/QA has fallen steadily in the last 10 years and they are overpriced.
All quoted prices (MSRP) & EPA reported mileage are from kbb.com on a BASE model
All quoted Annual fuel cost are based on 70% highway driving, 30% city driving, 36000 annual miles and a fuel cost of $ 2.12 per gallon and where gathered from fueleconomy.gov:
Toyota Use Case
2005 Toyota Corolla CE
Cost: $14,320.00
EPA City: 32 MPG
EPA Hwy: 41 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $2008
2005 Toyota Prius Hybrid
Cost: $21,415.00
EPA City: 60 MPG
EPA Hwy: 51 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1440
Price Difference = $7,095
Annual Fuel Savings = $568
Time To Recover Cost Difference = 12.5 years!
Honda Use Case
2005 Honda Civic HX
Cost: $14,475.00
EPA City: 36 MPG
EPA Hwy: 44 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1861
2005 Honda Civic Hybrid
Cost: $20,565.00
EPA City: 46 MPG
EPA Hwy: 51 MPG
Annual Fuel Cost: $1558
Price Difference = $6,095
Annual Fuel Savings = $303
Time To Recover Cost Difference = 20 years!!!
This is also assuming that NOTHING goes wrong during the "recovery" time. Imagine a car that could run reliably for 20 years ... now wake up and smell the BS that all the major manufacturer are shoveling! The extra costs of these vehicles isn't worth the gas they are saving you from using ... buy a more economical gasoline engined car before sinking your money into a hybrid.
Also ponder this: How much do you think it cost to take your car to the dealer to have your battery replaced (parts & labor). Now imagine that your entire hybrid battery pack needs replacement (estimated to occure after 5-8 years of use) ... just speculating here, but I would say AT LEAST $1,000!
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