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Explain what you mean by your last comment Dave, please.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by 96RedSE5Sp:
Here is the ultimate in hypocracy.
Kind of like...say...becoming upset when Iraqi prisoners are photographed naked but encouraging the starvation of an American? 
The difference is that I am not talking about the hypocricy of conservatives or Republicans, but the hypocricy of George Bush, who has previously signed a law stating that it is OK to allow the "starvation of an American" (as you put it) even an American baby, despite the wishes of the relatives.
You don't think that this is hypocritical or at least ironic? Not even a little?
Keep in mind that this is a man who now claims that government should always err on the side of preserving life.
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Originally posted by sigma:
I think the point is that if Terri Schiavo was the Queen of England the Left wouldn't be screaming for her death either.
My point was more to illustrate the left's sympathy for terrorists but lack thereof for those who cannot speak for themselves. This probably doesn't have much relevance to the Terri Schiavo case except the Schiavo case has brought out sides of the left only the giften can often see.
And here is where the debate is: is showing sympathy allowing her to die, or letting her live this shell of a life? I said earlier that I once sided with the husband because I believed sympathy was letting her die, yet I've become disturbed by the left's true feelings and their actions in this situation. They're making it very difficult for me to be on the same side as them. I'm in continuous self-examination.
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I believe you yourself support the Death Penalty, Davo; but I assume you don't support Murder. For many people they are one in the same, but I assume that, to you, they are not.
True. But for me and logic, it makes more sense that they are not.
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I think the fundamental difference between opposing views in this case lies between the difference of perception between "killing" and "allowing to die". And you're going to have a hard time convincing one or the other.
The only thing that introduces ambiguity for me is Terri's own wishes. Sure, you look at her face and find it hard to imagine she would want to live that way, but I can say that about a lot of people. She may have told her husband once that she did not want to live in this condition, but there is no signatory proof of that, and that is the great tragedy in all this. Regardless, I think she'll be better off once she has passed.
I have no moral dissonance with letting someone die. I won't consider it murder when she dies, but I will be sad because we will never know what Terri Schiavo really wanted. It is also a shame that she has become a political pawn of both sides.
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Originally posted by sigma:
Meanwhile, her own father in court transcripts is quoted as saying that he would "cut off her arms and legs and put her on a respirator if it meant [he] could spend more time with her".
Sounds like the prostitute who said it was OK to cut the baby in half to me.
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Agreed, Davo.
But, in regards to her own expressed wishes, it's important to note that not only her husband testified to her purported desires, but also her best friend, her uncle, and her brother-in-law all testified to having heard her say at some point that she didn't want to kept alive via machine.
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Now I will talk about the hypocricy of the right wing involving the "Baby Hudson" case. The Baby Hudson case is paticularly galling becuase no one stepped up to help a mother who wanted to keep her baby alive in a Texas Hospital.
Baby Hudson suffered from a fatal form of dwarfism. Most victims of this disease die soon after birth--though some live through childhood. Baby Hudson defied the odds for five months.
Baby Hudson died on March 15. He died because the Hospital prevailed in the Probate Court where its lawyers, citing Texas's Futile Care Law filed a motion to take Baby Hudson off his respirator against the wishes of his mother.
The mother appeared on talk show after talk show trying to rally support for her son. Apparently the attorney representing the mother was simply outgunned by the team of attorneys for the hospital.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
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I'm supposed to be the melodramatic drama queen here... but this post just stole my tiara.
We are not force fed, unless you believe the people trying tio sue the fast food chains. We make conscious choices to eat and what to eat. Terri has a bag of Jevity (a common feeding tube solution) connected to her on a schedule.
From your definition, what's the difference between a respirator and a feeding tube? Air is a necessity of life, why should it matter how it gets there? Same with circulation. Where does providing stop and life support begin?
I believe Terri is on life support, that she died 15 years ago, that three years were spent trying to bring her back, and that her body should be allowed to follow her.
Let her rest in peace.
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Looks like Terry might finally be able to die as she wanted. Seeing as how every legal route in existence (including some that shouldn't have been tried) have said no to the Schindlers, Terry will be kept off of the feeding tube until she dies.
It's about time I say, I'm getting sick of the Schindlers and their constant attempts to put Terry back on the feeding tube despite the fact it is legally up to Michael. And the fact they went to Federal court is just stupid, because it is a state's issue, nothing more.
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I think the decision made was the right one. And the goverment had no reason to be involved. Its the husbands decision. With the loads of money they are spending to keep this woman "alive" we could use it in a better way. Why not actually help people that could contribute to society in the future ? The insurance company is getting the brunt of this and it wont leave as much funds around to help people who actually need it.
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From Yahoo! news, a quote from the Florida judge who has seen this case from the beginning:
"By clear and convincing evidence, it was determined she did not want to live under such burdensome conditions and that she would refuse such medical treatment-assistance," Greer wrote.
She's not conscious, can't feel anything, and wouldn't want to live like this. Let her die in peace.
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