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Originally posted by Viss1:
No idea what you're talking about. Not that it's relevant to this thread, but when did Kerry use churches for his purposes?
Edwards said that he and Kerry were healers. He said that if he and Kerry were elected, people such as Christopher Reeves would be able to walk again. If you consider thinking you're Jesus using the church, then here is the example you're looking for.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
No idea what you're talking about. Not that it's relevant to this thread, but when did Kerry use churches for his purposes?
Kerry visited and spoke in front of many different black churches throughout the country pretty much every sunday leading up to the elections. These apperances were of course filmed and played all over the news, not quite sure how you missed it...
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Originally posted by SVTatGT:
Kerry visited and spoke in front of many different black churches throughout the country pretty much every sunday leading up to the elections. These apperances were of course filmed and played all over the news, not quite sure how you missed it...
I don't watch televised news, but I should have remembered from reading the papers. Thanks.
But I'm not sure what all this has to do with what we were talking about... ministers preaching politics to their congregations.
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Originally posted by Viss1:
Originally posted by SVTatGT:
Kerry visited and spoke in front of many different black churches throughout the country pretty much every sunday leading up to the elections. These apperances were of course filmed and played all over the news, not quite sure how you missed it...
I don't watch televised news, but I should have remembered from reading the papers. Thanks.
But I'm not sure what all this has to do with what we were talking about... ministers preaching politics to their congregations.
Churches being used for political gain, that's what.
This conversation has gone from Terry Schiavo to constitution to separation of church and state to the current topic.
The fact of the matter is this. How do you look at life? Do you look at it as a simple matter where everybody that is unproductive needs to be killed? Or do you look at it as something that needs to be protected, regardless of who you are?
Imagine we know nothing about the case, nothing about the Schiavo's, and nothing about what is going on except that the husband wants to end his wife's life and her parents want to see her survive and be taken care of. In that circumstance, yes, it should be left up to the husband.
BUT, if you take into consideration what we do know, take into consideration the facts of the case, the allegations in the case, and the simple fact that her parents WANT to take care of this woman, it makes it a whole different ball game.
Church separation is NOT in the Constitution, but for some reason everybody believes it is. No where does it say that the church will not play an influence in our society. But that's what so many people are pushing. I could go into what has happened with the decline of the church in America, but that's for another topic, another day. Oh wait, no its not. It's this topic, where so many people deem Terry Schiavo to be a waste of energy who needs to be killed. We've had a statement made about the fact that unproductive people need to be killed. Doesn't anybody see where this is heading? Anybody here feel they will be a burden to your children when you are old enough to require full time medical attention? Would you rather be killed because you are a burden to them, or would you rather teach your kids to respect your life, and learn from the wisdom you have gained from your life?
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! We can't go around killing everybody that is not productive in our society, including Terry Schiavo. Don't you think that if this hadn't been that big of a deal she would have been let go in peace 13 years ago? No, her parents don't want to see their daughter die at the hands of this jerk who calls himself her husband, who left his wife years ago for another. There is more to the story than just the fact that she's in the state she's in and her husband feels it's time for her to go on. He wants her dead for some reason or another, and for our country's sake, I hope and pray that the feeding tube is reinserted.
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Wow, this thread is still going? Just kill the [censored] already.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! We can't go around killing everybody that is not productive in our society, including Terry Schiavo. Don't you think that if this hadn't been that big of a deal she would have been let go in peace 13 years ago? No, her parents don't want to see their daughter die at the hands of this jerk who calls himself her husband, who left his wife years ago for another. There is more to the story than just the fact that she's in the state she's in and her husband feels it's time for her to go on. He wants her dead for some reason or another, and for our country's sake, I hope and pray that the feeding tube is reinserted.
It's not that she isn't productive in our society, there are many people that aren't productive. It's that she is BRAIN DEAD. The husband left her after 5 years of standing by her brain dead side. FIVE YEARS. He can't wait for ever. He MAY want her dead for a reason, but you're just assuming that. Most likely, he wants to be kind and caring and let her pass on to a better place. BUT that has nothing to do with politics and congress should never have gotten involved.
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
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As a roman catholic, I find people like you disgusting.
First of all, Half the country is not christian, let alone follow some form of religion. That alone means that religious principles have no place in governance of a nation.
Secondly, Ms. Schiavo's burden is not a right-to-life issue. She is not merely 'unproductive', she is merely a vegetable. Nobody can fathom what state she's in, but it is plain to see she is suffering immensely with little hope of recovery.
Her husband for many years would like to end that suffering.
Her parents think that whatever hope there is, is worth keeping her alive for.
I find it disgusting you turn this family tragedy into a political circus to expound your beliefs on masses yet again in the most obnoxious and facetious ways possible.
The church, the politicians, the government hold NO weight in what this family decides. STAY OUT OF IT.
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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! We can't go around killing everybody that is not productive in our society, including Terry Schiavo. Don't you think that if this hadn't been that big of a deal she would have been let go in peace 13 years ago? No, her parents don't want to see their daughter die at the hands of this jerk who calls himself her husband, who left his wife years ago for another. There is more to the story than just the fact that she's in the state she's in and her husband feels it's time for her to go on. He wants her dead for some reason or another, and for our country's sake, I hope and pray that the feeding tube is reinserted.
It's not that she isn't productive in our society, there are many people that aren't productive. It's that she is BRAIN DEAD. The husband left her after 5 years of standing by her brain dead side. FIVE YEARS. He can't wait for ever. He MAY want her dead for a reason, but you're just assuming that. Most likely, he wants to be kind and caring and let her pass on to a better place. BUT that has nothing to do with politics and congress should never have gotten involved.
I agree with everything you just said Kremit, the problem is you are trying to use logic in an emmotional argument. Some people just simply don't have the ability to look at things logically and let their emotions take over, and that is why this issue is now a big deal and is getting national attention.
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Yeah, that and politicans let their "let's see if we can get more votes next election" get involved.
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Originally posted by ODC:
As a roman catholic, I find people like you disgusting.
That's quite the contradictory statement there.
Originally posted by ODC:
First of all, Half the country is not christian, let alone follow some form of religion. That alone means that religious principles have no place in governance of a nation.
You obviously have not read our founding documents.
Originally posted by ODC:
Secondly, Ms. Schiavo's burden is not a right-to-life issue. She is not merely 'unproductive', she is merely a vegetable. Nobody can fathom what state she's in, but it is plain to see she is suffering immensely with little hope of recovery.
Do you know how many people are in similar circumstances?
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Her husband for many years would like to end that suffering.
What a saint.
Originally posted by ODC:
Her parents think that whatever hope there is, is worth keeping her alive for.
What's wrong with that?
Originally posted by ODC:
I find it disgusting you turn this family tragedy into a political circus to expound your beliefs on masses yet again in the most obnoxious and facetious ways possible.
What beliefs are being forced upon people? This claim is always made in cases that even remotely involve religion or religious people. In this case, it is preposterous, especially since the only people saying that the 'save Terri' movement is fueled by religious people are the left-wingers.
Originally posted by ODC:
The church, the politicians, the government hold NO weight in what this family decides. STAY OUT OF IT.
What planet are you on? The goverment had to become involved to solve a familial dispute. You can debate whether Congress could have gotten involved, but to think goverment had no business in this is quite ludicrous and proves your stupidity.
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