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 I don't get it, first you guys are all up in arms about how removing her tube will cause her to suffer, and now you're on my case because I want to mitigate her suffering? Please explain.
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Originally posted by RobertD:
And the fight goes on. In short she has the feeding tube again, for now. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7212079/
The tube isn't in yet, just a "Congressional compromise" to once again try to overrule and interfere with umpteen court decisions and independent medical reports by court-appointed doctors to try to push a political agenda.
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Originally posted by 98 SE:
I see the removal of the feeding tube as a form of killing, as it is pretty much known that she won't survive without it. Just as bad as lethal injection, but far more painful because it happens over a course of weeks and not hours. Something about "cruel and unusual punishment" fits in here ... we don't even starve our criminals to death, why would they want to do that to her?
agreed. i thought she was brain dead, but even if she has the mentality of an infant, allowing her to starve to death would be horrible. she is alive and "kicking". allowing her to starve would be a death sentence and constitute murder, IMO. they "pull the plug" on brain dead patients because they are legally considered dead. the Supreme Court ruled many years ago that a person will be considered "dead" when their brain is no longer functioning. brain damaged does not equal brain dead. i agree, she probably wouldn't want to go on like this, and I'm not for prolonging her condition but starving her to death is no way to do it.  unfortunately, lethal injection would be murder for which she is not due. i think that would be the "right" thing to do but i can't imagine the day where someone is ordered killed who hasn't received the death penalty. it's just a plain horrid situation to which there is no real answer.
the argument "see if she can live on her own" just doesn't make sense. that's like when a negligent mother leaves a baby to starve to death. can you imagine saying, "well the baby died on his own." either way it's a helpless person who can't fend for themselves and needs someone's help in order to survive.
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Sometimes you can mess up a word so bad that spell check doens't know what the hell you're talking about.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Removing the feeding tube allows her to die on her own. Giving her a lethal injection is killing her. This was a decent debate here until you said that. Good lord, you all like murder when the victim is someone that can't speak for themselves.
Holy Christ, Holy Ghost, Holy Father, everything Holy!!! Davo and I agree on something!!!!!!!!     
I must say that this is the first time in my life that I agree with an action taken by the Republicans. For once, they have finally done something worthwhile... 
The fact remains that there is no LEGIT proof that the poor woman ever gave any such powers to her husband... For all we know, he could be in for the money.
As some of you pointed out, he is virtually married to another woman and even has kids with her. Yet, being a good "husband" and a "moral" person, all he wants to do is help his loving "wife" to die... even though he has been out of her life for God knows how long... I mean, please??? Who is this guy trying to Con??? The guy is trying to piss on our leg, then tell us it is raining...
I say the guy is a complete Con Man, and if some of you can't see that than you are blind as a bat!
Makes me sick to my stomach. The guy is complete scum...
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As some of you pointed out, he is virtually married to another woman and even has kids with her. Yet, being a good "husband" and a "moral" person, all he wants to do is help his loving "wife" to die... even though he has been out of her life for God knows how long... I mean, please??? Who is this guy trying to Con??? The guy is trying to piss on our leg, then tell us it is raining...
Gimme a break. Your ignorance on this case is astounding.
His "Wife" died 15 years ago. She is gone, the only thing left is a body with a brain that through some freak incident managed to retain enough usefulness to sustain her life, but nothing else. One could easily argue that her soul has long gone, and only her visceral shell is left.
He stood by her side for years while maintaining she wanted to die before every "moving on" with his life. I'd like to see you stand by the side of your essentially brain-dead wife for 5 years before ever thinking about moving on and for 10 more years fight for her wishes. Yes, he does have another woman in his life, but he still visits his real "wife" often; unwilling to divorce her because it would mean her parents would leave her in the state that she (supposedly) requested to never be in. Her own father has gone so far as to say, in court testimony, that he would have her arms and legs cut off and put her on a ventilator just to keep her in the state she is in now.
Con man? What do you think he's in it for? Money?
He's been offered numerous offers for significant sums of money, as much as $10 million dollars, to divorce his wife and walk away and stop his legal preceedings, but has refused. Probably didn't know that did you?
Don't you think if it was about money he would have taken the offer (WAY WAY WAY more money than he'd get from her just dying), divorced his wife, and went on living with the woman he's been living with for years? If he's a con man, he's a bad one.
He certainly isn't in it for the press, fame, or attention. He rejects almost all offers for TV appearances or even statements of any kind. In 15 years he's only spoken to the press a handful of times. So you can't argue he's in it for that.
So if it's not the money and it's not the attention, what exactly is he "conning" people out of?
I can only hope that someone would fight for 10 years, and turn down offers for millions of dollars in order to fulfill my final wishes.
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who offered him $10 mil?
ps i agree with you. 
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1. Food, water, and air are not luxuries. They are vital for every person. You don't hear anyone saying we should smother her to death.
2. It is irrelevant how she is fed. When someone goes into surgery and has an IV in their arm, they are not on life support. Babies and the elderly are fed in hospitals all the time when they cannot eat for themselves.
3. Michael Schiavo does not have the right to have his wife killed. He should divorce her and marry the woman he has being living with in adultery. He is willing to put her through a horrible death to end her so called "suffering." Since the parents are willing and able to provide for Terry, let them do so. He obviously cares nothing for her now.
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Originally posted by svt4stv:
who offered him $10 mil?
ps i agree with you.
Some attorney in Boca Raton a few weeks ago.
Just last week some guy in San Diego offered him $1 Million which was immediately rejected.
This guy stands to make virtually no money from his wife dying. There was a $1 million dollar settlement that has gone to the care of his wife and is virtually entirely used (one can imagine the cost of 15 years of 24/7 medical care); and he turns down offers for $10 million to drop the case. And he's called a "con man"?
Some people must have different ideas of what a con man is than I do.
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I've told my fiancee many times. If I'm ever in that state, take me out back, put two bullets in the back of my head, just to make sure I'm done and done quick. At least I won't see it coming.
That, IMO, is not living. That's being sustained. She'll never leave that room, never walk, likely never talk, never have human contact other than grunts and groans.
Yes, food, air, and water are all necessary to be kept alive, but human contact, conversation, mobility are ALL factors in being ALIVE. Yes, her body is alive, but, she will never really LIVE again.
Put yourself in her situation- have someone strap all your limbs down and tape your mouth shut around a feeding tube. You can't move, can't talk, can't truly emote anything. Would you want to be left like that? Me? No. No way.
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I would advocate a means of alleviating the pain of starvation while nobody provides additional meals in the feeding tube (disconnection is really a misnomer from what I have seen) through pain medications and medications which trick the stomach to "think" it's full over an actual lethal injection.
The husband's motives are under open attack. Why are the parent's motives pure by definition that they don't want the feedings stopped? Their reasons could possibly be every bit as selfish as the ones they are trying to pin on the husband.
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