Originally posted by sigma:
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Over here they have better political representation (yes there exists other system outside the two party system), better education, and people are treated if sick. This is a liberal society based on liberal values just was the US was over 200 years ago.
Do what?
Please explain how you deduce the fact that the US was a "liberal society with liberal values" 200 years ago? Because you'd be about the only person to claim such a fact.
Ok sorry I didn't make it clear. What I mean is it seems Packrat feels he would be giving up some sort of liberty by being in a socialist system. The US was born of the Enlightenment and Liberalism and today I don't find it very Liberal at all. I am not talking about Liberalism as in what the Democrats claim as Liberalism. I am talking about what the US was founded on, classic liberalism. This has a stress on rights property, natural rights, and the need for a limited government via a constitution. It is better defined here . If you scroll down to Classic Liberalism you'll see what I mean. All I am saying is that it is possible to have a society that has Social Medicine and good education and still be liberal.
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