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Over here they have better political representation (yes there exists other system outside the two party system), better education, and people are treated if sick. This is a liberal society based on liberal values just was the US was over 200 years ago.
Do what?
Please explain how you deduce the fact that the US was a "liberal society with liberal values" 200 years ago? Because you'd be about the only person to claim such a fact.
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Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
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As long as we keep you socialists on that side of the ocean, yes.
Ok sure thing chief, then you just deal with health care costs and remaining at the poverty line.
I have health insurance, my health costs are just fine. I'd rather be at the poverty line that sucking on the socialist teat.
Crporate teat in you case.
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Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
Originally posted by PackRat:
Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
Originally posted by PackRat:
As long as we keep you socialists on that side of the ocean, yes.
Ok sure thing chief, then you just deal with health care costs and remaining at the poverty line.
I have health insurance, my health costs are just fine. I'd rather be at the poverty line that sucking on the socialist teat.
Crporate teat in you case.
Better then than the government. That's what you socialists hate, corporations taking care of their employees so the government doesn't have to.
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Yep American corporations are really good at taking care of their employees...rrrrrright. 
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Originally posted by RT and his SE:
Yep American corporations are really good at taking care of their employees...rrrrrright.
Yes they are, although I know Liberals don't think they're taking care of them unless they pay them $20/hr and give them all kinds of freebies.
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I don't think it has anything to do with being liberal you just seem to like to throw that out because you think it makes your argument sound legitimate(it really doesn't). $20 an hour is around 40 thou a year. You won't be hobnobbing with the upper crust when you make that kind of money. If you can afford to live on $8 to $10 bucks an hour good for you that's great but most people can't.
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Originally posted by Wien_Sean:
How about you come over hear and live here. Kids and teens are slackers anywhere in the world. The fact is they are getting out of high school a lot better prepaired for the world than American students.
It doesn't take much to prepare for socialism. "Hey Johnny (or I should Miroslav, to make it more realistic), you'll have everything paid for your entire life, so at least go out and try to make it look like you're working hard."
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It has become a haven for Super Patriotism and Anti-liberalism.
At least we know you're not blind and dumb, Sean. 
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Originally posted by caltour:
That's the problem. Ordinary citizens have lost political control in America. Corporate interests now control our quality of life.
That great liberal bastion of hope known as McCain-Feingold didn't quite have its effect, huh? That was supposed to be the cure-all for 'special interests'. I wonder what problem McCain is going to dream up then propose a cure for in 2008.
Originally posted by caltour:
Both Republicans and Democrats have engaged in a three-decade long effort to change our laws and our economy to favor business interests.
It's such a tragedy that government wants to favor business interests.
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Labor and employment laws (such as overtime laws) are weakened or are not enforced. Minimum wage laws are not updated so that the minimum wage is ridiculously low. Rules for outsourcing jobs have been loosened. Huge numbers of foreign workers are granted work visas, further undercutting the work opportunities for American citizens. Unemployment benefits expire sooner. A larger portion of the income tax burden is put on the middle class. Military spending is up. Welfare and food stamp programs have been cut back. Bankruptcy laws may soon become nearly useless for consumers, etc., etc.
blah blah blah blah
Cry me a river. 
Originally posted by caltour:
Bush has taken favortism for the wealthy to a new level of brazenness. But it was begun over thirty years ago and has been done with bipartisan cooperation.
Thank God someone is doing it. If the wealthy were pissed and schit on by both parties it would really suck to be wealthy.
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I think many of the "snapshot" pictures which determine how the quality of life is are simplistic and yield results which are shaky at best.
Define standard of living. What makes a standard of living higher or lower for an individual or family.
Health? How much is that controlled by the choices the individual makes... same with life expectancy.
Pensions an outdated and outmoded investment vehicle which represents the times when a person worked their entire career with the same company. This is not a reality of the modern workplace... more often than not by the choice of the employee.
There is a lot more to defining quality of life than these statistics... where does happiness play a part?
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Gee wiz Dave I don't remember seeing any of that in the Constitution! If big business and our government are in bed together where do you see this improving the quality of your life? Are you hoping for a little trickle down? Why is it that you think that big business should have less government regulation? Is it because big business has done such a great job of policing itself in the past? Nope that can't be it because if that were the case we wouldn't have had to regulate them in the first place. Have you thought it through and looked at the good and the bad that might come out of this kind of arrangement? I wish I could blindly follow in such a fashion but I'm far to suspicious of politicians.
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