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#120445 06/22/02 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
Chris's kit is going to run at what, 5.5 PSI?
We ran at 5.5PSI during a test run. The kit is going to be around 8-9PSI estimated.

Please don't think we are going to give 5.5PSI for $4500. frown


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Chris's kit is going to run at what, 5.5 PSI?
We ran at 5.5PSI during a test run. The kit is going to be around 8-9PSI estimated.
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Also I predict the boost level to be around 8-9psi
For my next trick I'll predict HP & TQ laugh

300-310 & 260-275 (245FWHP/245FWTQ)

That could raise +12-15HP/TQ based on final boost level chosen. (I.E 9-10psi)


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#120447 06/22/02 07:21 AM
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www.turbominivan.com

They explain quite well exactly what they have done, and why. The ultimate sleeper, IMHO.

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Originally posted by black_98.5_SVT:
i dont car if a minivan can do the quarter in 9 seconds.....GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY
why dont you race gus's mean mini for some cash??? i wonder how gay it will be when that low 13 second minivan walks off with your paycheck.

most turbocharged engines differ from their NA brother in the guts and heads.

the heads on NA 2.3L fords are heart-shaped in the combustin chamber whereas the turbo head is a "D" port. the raised combustion chamber of the "D" port lowers compression quite a bit. there was a reason for this too. it allowed for the piston to have more "meat" over the wristpin. with a common piston, you simply cut deeper into the relief of the piston to lower compression. it works, but it weakens the ringland. detonate it one time, real well, and you will snap them off!

but anyways, the engine for instance. the engine in my ranger is a NA 2.3L: it has 9.5:1 CR and cast internals.

my SVO *2.3L turbocharged* came stock with 8:1 CR and all forged guts. a neat trick *i mentioned earlier* is the height of the first ringland on the pistons. this thing is thick. it wont fold over nearly as easily as some aftermarket pistons!!! sadly, from looking at a few sets, JEs come to mind... frown

like demonSVT mentioned, duratecs are getting popular with the small displacement turbo crowd. several members of my home site are installing forged internals for a severely high-boosted application. aluminum blocks were one thing, but the DOHC aspect was another feature that alot of guys are interested in. the heads outflow our stock iron out of the box. some portwork, clean up the combustion chambers, and you have yourself a nifty CFM-moving head.

as for the mopar minivan: dont ever doubt what ingenuity can accomplish. Gus started the wave, and several others now have 12 second daily driven minis. lets say that if a minivan pulled next to me and revved, i would check to see if it was the turbo!


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I have dreams of a 2000 Mazda MPV with a turbocharged Duratec dancing in my head. I suspect that is one of the markets (ok, maybe not the 2.5L MPV, but the 3L version of the same as well as the Tribute/Escape.

I'll have to get something else for the wifey. Given our MPV is a $28K garbage can on wheels (because wifey and the kids have never heard of a litter bag) their next ride will probably be a 1972 Chebby van wink

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for a little *literally!* freak project, apparently a 1.6L turbo engine from the mazda 626 can be shoehorned into a festiva! tweak the boost, give it a good intercooler and see what 200 rwhp does with a 1900 pound car. smile


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Speaking of Festiva.. that 1.3L block is damn tough.. a buddy of mine used to tune up talons that would go against vipers. His was running at 12.86 quarter mile. We took the extra parts from the talons and built a turbo festiva.. it had an extra injector run by a pressure switch and fuel pressure booster. Factory injectors were good, bottom end solid. clutch is very weak.. and so was the tires. 3 clutchs 2 sets of factory tires in a month... but the car would eat talon tsi, mr2 turbo's for dinner. Not to mention a corvette with a 350. He would get at my back bumper and i would pop it into 4th and pull away. lol. he followed me for 15min just to see what we had done to the car.


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#120452 06/24/02 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
[b]Yes, but then we still have the 4 banger vastly outpowering the V6....
Again you are comparing a boosted engine verses N/A.[/b]

No, I am comparing what I think will be the power level of Chris's turbo kit on a 2.5L Duratech vs. the turbo 4 in the minivan... I don't see the Contour running 12's...

Displacement is close or the same (2.2L & 2.5L like the Caravan is) The larger 4-cylinders actually produce better torque but sacrifice redline and rev-ability to do so!

Only the R/T engine boasted more HP than the stock SVT at 224. They went to Lotus the get that breathing magic done (DOHC head) All other mopar turbos were in the 142-174 range.

I can think of a forged bottom end turbo Duratec that made a conservative 450HP.


hmmm. linkage please? I believe you and all, just want to look at that bad boy for myself.

It's not that it's not possible in the least. It's just a heck of a lot more expensive!

Understood.

Another thing you are missing is the fact the Contour platform is setup for handling.
Also the weight transfer of a caravan is non-existant. (front to back anyway - side to side is another matter)


So put them on a dyno then. No reason we should not be able to match the power levels he gets at at least 13 PSI, and out torque him with a 6 vs. a 4.

I learned turbo's on the 2.2L Mopars. They are quite stout beasts and very fast for the econo boxes they were put in. I have nothing bad to say about them mechanically... (ATX's aside - they suck!)

Personally I'd much rather have my SVT than any Mopar turbo. Even the Mitsu built ones; though I am partial to the Conquest TSi a lot! laugh
Will be interesting to see the end power results of the turbo Duratech, for sure...! smile


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Originally posted by Chris Hightower:
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Originally posted by Sandman333:
[b] Chris's kit is going to run at what, 5.5 PSI?
We ran at 5.5PSI during a test run. The kit is going to be around 8-9PSI estimated.

Please don't think we are going to give 5.5PSI for $4500. frown [/b]
Like I said, Chris, I wasn't trying to put you down or anything. I'm just curious as to how all this works. I have more questions regarding a turbo setup (though not on a Contour), and I'll edit this post with a link later when I post the new topic on this.

EDIT: Link to question about turbos.


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#120454 06/25/02 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by black_98.5_SVT:
i dont car if a minivan can do the quarter in 9 seconds.....GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY
If you didn't care you wouldn't have blessed us with your incredible insight on the matter.

I at least respect someone that shows their knowledge rather than so called "bolt-on" performace gods.

BTW, what incredible modzzzz y0 have you done with your "tight" and "hard" SVT? Rims, tint, exhaust, and big wing?

LOL.

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