the 4 cyl motor in those minivans and other cars are considred to be dodges greates enginering feet to date even the new neons run of basically the same block it is almost bullet proof and way over bulit allowing it to take a lot more punshiment. small side note the for 2300 cc 4 cyl which was placed in the pinto and about a hundred other vehicles also shares some the same attributes ive even thought about dropping one in my mystique you can suck more HP's out that motor than the all alum. one in the mystiques