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http://www.lextreme.com/egr.html
http://www.titanms.com/egrbloffpl.html these guys must be idiots
or these guys saying there is a slight loss in power with egr.
http://www.ttzd.com/tech/egrtech.html
This tells about egr and benifits getting rid of it.
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So Terry actually agreed with me. Wow... 
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The PCM spikes timing to help clear the cylinders and uses the cooling effect of the EGR to reduction detonation.
How about that. It took him 4 paragraphs to say the same thing I did in 1 sentence and 20 posts ago. 
He must be related to Tom... (oh I'm in for it now)
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Originally posted by svtProdigy:
Originally posted by MapOfTaziFoSho:
Originally posted by svtProdigy:
I am still not using it with my intercooler.... Lets get someone who specializes in turbo motors to speak. Call turbonetics...he doesn't have to pull any book out and read anything. He will straight out tell you from experience and testing.
You sound like you are defending your bf... 
BF?
You can't spell for jack sh!t, and we still have to spell everything out for you!
BF = Boyfriend
BJ = What you sound like you want to do to Mr. Turbonetics.
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boy friend...who the hell understood that...honestly
Sorry (I don't make Gay gestures or comments like you do). I defend peolple that know their facts unlike you with your child like comments and talking crap about people.
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Ask Noble or Andrew Wagner why they both removed the EGR system in their twin turbo setups on the Duratec 3.0L. They will both tell you it was easier to remove it and program/tune around it, rather than implement it into their design.
Just because you have left over parts doesn't necessarily mean you engineered it better.
You can find many Subaru and 3000GT forums where they adovocate against stupid newbies who buy into the thought pattern that EGR = bad. So let's make this simple right now:
- If you like the sound of detonation and like going through pistons and engines left and right - go ahead an remove your EGR valve and watch the combustion temperatures spike.
As stated under cruise, idle and off-throttle the EGR activates and COOLS down the cylinders. It does not matter about 100% combustion at cruise, idle or off throttle, because if it were 100% combustion, the engine would be spinning at the redline and not 1,500 RPM. Cool cylinders with the HOT rush of air from turbos or centrifugal superchargers = good. Hot cylinders with hot rush of air = dead (or soon to be) engine.
Why work against yourself by removing the EGR? Sort of like removing your left arm just because you don't use it as much as your right.
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Originally posted by svtProdigy:
I am still not using it with my intercooler.... Lets get someone who specializes in turbo motors to speak. Call turbonetics...he doesn't have to pull any book out and read anything. He will straight out tell you from experience and testing. IF ANYONE HAS A MECHANIC CALL ME FROM A TURBO COMPANY TELLING ME I SHOULD RUN EGR BECAUSE THERE ARE PERFORMANCE BENIFITS OR THE CAR WILL RUN LIKE CRAP WITH OUT ONE IF PROPERLY TUNED I WILL GIVE YOU $5 PAY PAL. HAVE MY WORD. AND IF I DIDN'T YOU KNOW I WOULD HERE IT FOREVER AQND WOULD BE HUNTING ME DOWN AT Sz
Umm come on now. Lots of people walk around masquerading as mechanics....just ask anyone who picked up their car and it was still broke.
What makes this guy's word any better than someone else?
Well, it would have to be his qualifications, resume, and observed proof of performance before I give him any more stock than I give you or most people on the internet.
If he has the kind of resume that you must think he has, then he probably won't be telling you that EGR is going to give you a performance benefit or that the car will run like crap without one. Those things aren't necessarily true.
He shouldn't tell you that the car WILL run like crap with one because that isn't true either.
He also won't tell you to remove one of your FEDERALLY mandated emissions devices on a street car either....unless he wants to get in trouble.
So lets leave third parties out of it.
I speak from experience that there are no ill or negative effects of running with one, AND I still retain EGR and Catalytic converter. It isn't factory, but I retain all the emissions equipment functionality with my turbo system.
I refuse to buy into the whole argument that EGR will detract from your turbo performance.
I REFUSE to believe that the little bit of EGR recirculated will adversely affect the volume of intake charge that a TURBO can force into the motor.
Now, show me some proof...i.e. data as to EGR degrading a turbo car's performance and I may send you $5, or just a cookie since $5 doesn't buy Sh|t these days!
To be honest, $5 isn't worth the time I spent writing this post...if I consult then I would charge more like $50 for an hour.
But hey, to each his own right? No hard feelings mate!
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we will see what wagner says..if he post on here about this. I have the choice to go either way and is no big deal. Design wise i CHOOSE not too.
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Originally posted by svtProdigy:
http://www.lextreme.com/egr.html
http://www.titanms.com/egrbloffpl.html these guys must be idiots
or these guys saying there is a slight loss in power with egr.
http://www.ttzd.com/tech/egrtech.html
This tells about egr and benifits getting rid of it.
WOW!!!!
I just looked at the first two links and I am amazed at how closely you resemble living proof that advertising works.
Don't you know when you are being "sold" on something.
[advertiser voice]
buy this product and gain 2-4 HP...buy this product and gain up to 15 HP....buy this product and gain up to 27 HP...
Buy all of them and 46 horsepower!
Get 'em while they're hot.
[avertiser voice off]
WOW again!!! The third link even tells you that too little egr flow can cause overheating. By the way, combustion temperatures only really go up when the car is running close to stoich or leaner, not at WOT.
Look, I'm having a little fun at your expense because you are not thinking through the statements from the other "experts", but I don't want you to start hating me so I'll stop.  see, I'm all better.
I hope you will take the time to slow down and read all of the information because I really think you have just been misled a little bit.
You are trying to build a great project and you can build it with or without EGR. Just remember, it isn't the EGR that keeps the cylinders cool under load, it is the fuel you inject and with a turbo it is the intercooler. The EGR is a plus for other things like lean burn cruise situations, and to top it off you are remaining "legal" for any future visual emissions inspections.
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Originally posted by warmonger:
Umm come on now. Lots of people walk around masquerading as mechanics....just ask anyone who picked up their car and it was still broke.
As my professor would say, "Mechanic is just another term for a glorified parts replacer. We don't train mechanics here, we train technicians,". As a shop operator, I have many mechanics under my supervision that I would not trust their diagnosis or theory, despite ASE badges or years of experience moreso than number of years than I have been living.
Originally posted by svtProdigy:
we will see what wagner says..if he post on here about this. I have the choice to go either way and is no big deal. Design wise i CHOOSE not too.
Would you install a thermostat that opens at 225-degrees along with a high-performance, racing aluminum radiator and high-CFM fan setup? No? So why do you CHOOSE to do that with your combustion temperatures?
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Originally posted by DemonSVT:
So Terry actually agreed with me. Wow...
{paraphrased}
The PCM spikes timing to help clear the cylinders and uses the cooling effect of the EGR to reduction detonation.
How about that. It took him 4 paragraphs to say the same thing I did in 1 sentence and 20 posts ago.
He must be related to Tom... (oh I'm in for it now)
Yeah...he's more closely related to you since he is just as STUBBORN!!!!
Maybe he is a long lost relative of both of us!
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