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Originally posted by RogerB:
2k? 6k? Somewhere in between. You're comparing an optioned out 3.5 SE to an SE-R with no options and dealer discount.
An 05 SE with the leather sport option package MSRP's for 28380. This does NOT include the safety package, which on either car is an 800.00 option. The MSRP for the 05 SE-R (which actually has more standard equipment) is 29,880, or a difference of exactly 1500 dollars. I was actually being generous with the 2k difference. The ONLY option on the SE-R is automatic tranny (same price as the auto option for the SE) and the safety package (also the exact same price as the SE option).
My overall point is that when making such comparisons between models you must equip them identically before you can argue over price, because most of the price difference between a stripper SE and the SE-R is because the SE-R simply ships with all options as standard except the safety package and the auto tranny. Also, these are MSRP prices, I'm clearly not taking into account any discounts. These prices are straight off the nissanusa.com build website.
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You want exclusivity? Most people don't know what SE-R or SVT mean. They see "family sedan" regardless.
Agreed, but I never said I cared what other people thought. I know the difference, and that's all I care about. The SE-R, just like the SVT, is also a specifically different manufacturer's model and therefore the value is inherent in the car. If, as you state, you buy an SE for 24k and go spend 6k on mods, you will basically get nothing in return for the price of those mods when you sell the vehicle. Mods are worth nothing unless it's a very highly modified vehicle, or certain kinds of niche vehicles or classic cars. That's why most people part out the mods when they sell the car. On the other hand, the SVT and SE-R type vehicles are already "modded" and warrantied by the manufacturer, therefore the mod value is inherently built into the vehicle for good.
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G35 ROTM? Yeah, I see them more and more every day. Just like there's 6 or 7 Altimas in the parking lot right now. Who cares if one of them is red with big wheels and some kind of "R" badge? What's that mean? (being facetious, here, but I hope you see my point.) I get the same flak about my Contour, because everyone thinks of the 4 beater GLs with skinny tires and steelies that they saw on the way to work this morning. There's nothing "limited edition" about the SVT-C or the SE-R to anyone but the enthusiast.
Limited edition no, limited production, yes. Nissan is building 12k SE-R's. SVT only built so many SVTC's, therefore exclusivity is guaranteed. The most valuable classic cars are those with limited production numbers.
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I repeat, the G35 6MT comes with leather, and I wouldn't mind that. I'd rather, though, that it were available with cloth to bring the price and weight down further. (They add the leather to equalize pricing between the MT and automatic base models.) As for external appearances, most people wouldn't know that I was driving a "special" G35 sedan, as there is no badging. Wheels are different, and the car sits a bit lower. Only the enthusiast would know, and that is the way I like it.
Understood. I would state that most people are capable of realizing that there's something "different" amongst models. They may not know what SE-R or SVT or Spec-V or A-Spec or Type-S means, but they know there's definitely something different about the car, it doesn't take a genius. Agreed, most don't care, but I do. I don't like to see myself everywhere I go. I love those little moments when someone pulls up beside me and chats it up because they recognize a limited production car (like a guy in a new M3 the other day) when they see one.
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