Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums Modifications Duratec Performance EEC Tuner Dyno @ All Ford Nationals Carlisle Pa

Not really. I feel more than comfortable playing with data (moreso than mechanical items, though I'm trying to get up to speed on all that). I'm no engineer (well, I am, but not this kind) and you can rest assured I'd do my absolute best to analyze every possibility before diving in and changing X number of values to Y because they sounded cool.

I just wanted to use that smiley guy. I get a kick outta him squinting at people

Rara: I agree whole heartedly with what your saying. And I never intended to express I knew what I was doing with one of these. However I have done some reading on the subject and I do think it can be used as a valuable tool. It still possesses more adjustability than any other A/F controller out right now. As I'm sure you'll agree. If I had one I wouldn't touch anything I didn't know for sure what it was.

I don't see why the people who have know what they are doing couldn't make there own programs and distribute them to ppl like myself who aren't knowledgable? Assuming the mods are close enough.

I think that with self control one could fine tune A/F & timeing wise even more to fit our own cars mods.

Also, would you be comfortable taking your car to a Performance Shop and let them tinker with the Tuner? I guess you would have recourse if something was damaged, right?

Again, I agree that the tuner probably will allow adjustments which aren't affectively made by a novice, but I do believe that it can be used wisely to achieve great fine tuning.

Actually, I've heard the story before and I don't think he had modified it any at that time. Don't remember the problem, but if memory serves me it was sincere.

Why am I posting this? I'm sure Po-Jay will be along sometime to give the details.

So really, what you're saying here is... that if we find the right dealer and have no morals... we could probably get Buckshot's motor warrantied out. You know, since he didn't have the chip in and if we could talk the service manager into the SVT Contour being a MTX equipped Vortech SC'ed 3 liter Taurus with cool rims and a body kit. :rolleyes: :p

I did not mean to imply that I think that devices such as the eec-tuner and tweecer are not fantastic tuning devices, they are, and can provide great help in getting to an optimum tune on a given setup. I just wanted to put a temper on things, this type of thing is not something you can just slap on your car and start arbitrarily fooling w/ settings, and I think most of us realize this, at least those paricipating in this thread (for the most part I assume)
I think there are some that think "woohoo, I can just slap this on my car, and fool w/ it for 15 minutes and gain 20hp, and get great driveability too!"

oh yeah, and the warranty thing kinda bugged me too :p

and brad, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying . . . :p (now where is my sarcastic smiley????)

A tuner of this sort is something that I want and need for my car. The S-AFC is good for what it is (knowing the limitations of a MAF tricker), but I'd love to be able to adjust spark timing as well. That said, I would go from shop to shop locally and conduct interviews beore I let any tuner touch my spark timing, and get a signed liability document before anyone got their hands on there (that is, if anyone was actually willing to do that).

Well Rara, I thank you for elaboratly paraphrasing and breaking down my little rebuttle. In order to keep this thread from becoming a 10 page monster, I will not quote any particular item. I will let you know that my car Was almost Lemon-Lawed due to several very large problems, totally unrelated to my modifications (equalling about 50 shop hours or more in the first year and 9 mos). If i had really pushed, I am sure that I would now be in a GS-X Eclipse or something like it. I did not because I love the SVT. That is the bottom line. Anyway... I do respect your apparent knowledge in this matter. I have access to a Dyno and a rather skilled technician. I do not feel confident enough to tune this computerized nightmare, myself.
As for the warranty business... Well lets just say that I don't feel that the money that I paid for the car was ill-spent. I actually have a really cool and competent Service Manager (it is about damn time).
And finally, thank you for exposing my Secret identity! You did it in such a "Mr. Wizard" kind of way...

I can't disagree with you at all here. I didn't find your post harsh at all, just 100% truthful. Also, I don't think anything I'm doing will cut into your paycheck lol

Oh, and did you ever get thoes plug wires for that V6 Focus? Who had them? PepBoys or Track Auto? hehehehe :p

How about this one you ****er?!?!?!

If you dont understand the full effect of timing,fueling and the whole workings of the combustion process then dont mess with 'overrid calibrations'....you WILL distroy your motor, dont scoff too much...the electronics is not the be all and end all...Rara and I have both been there!!!