Originally posted by caltour:


I totally respect that you are not backpedalling or trying to spin your position here, GreatOne. But I am not clear on why you admit that outsourcing is probably not good for our country, yet you seem not to oppose it. Can you tell me why you don't oppose it? After all, I think most people who have thought it through as clearly as you have, and who are as honest as you are about it, are outraged by it. They want to change our national policy, and to salvage what's left of our once-exemplary standard of living. Don't you?



What is there to be outraged by? In the business world, the only thing that matters is the bottom line. Everyone knows this. You don't get anywhere by being a nice happy person and making friends. People here in america want alot of money to do BS work. Think about it, would you pay a mexican $10-$20 to cut your lawn, or a contractor $100?? These are things EVERY american person does on a daily basis, just on a bigger scale. Why is it the corporations job to basically support people who have no trade/skills/whatever? The economy isn't going to help them when they're paying out the @$$ for people who never graduated highschool or never went to college.

Originally posted by caltour:
[By the way, I agree that many capitalists to not acknowledge ANY responsibility to the public, even when they are tapping public resources, or when they are putting the public at risk. But your statement about sheet metal workers having no say over big capital's effect on national interests is really saying that you don't believe in democracy, but in oligarchy.]



I dunno about putting the public at risk, but what do you mean by tapping public resources?

As far as the sheetmetal workers go...Is it really necessary to have 2 people working a machine when their job description is to push the same button all day and then move the piece off the machine? Something that could be EASILY automated, or even outsourced since those pepole want more money for doing that job than it's worth. Granted, maybe these people had legitimate hardships getting a good education or learning a trade, but that isn't big business' fault. Those are due to other fundamental problems with our society that alot of people like to overlook.

Originally posted by caltour:
And one more question: why do you say that you have no right to make a moral judgement on this issue? Isn't that your fundamental right (and obligation) as a citizen of this democracy? When you abdicate that right, aren't you selling out America's economic future too?



Who am I to tell someone else what's right or wrong? It's a free country. No crime is being committed. No company is obligated to pay american workers 3 or more times what they could pay someone overseas. Would america still be a democracy if other people basically dictated to us how to run our businesses?? The world is changing very quickly. Our economy is not based on simple "blue collar" work anymore. People need to see this and focus on becoming a more skilled and valuable asset to a company instead of sitting around and whining about it. Survival of the fittest, yes, it even applies to us.

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