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Yeah, traction seems to be an issue in our cars, not to mention fwd cars in general. Although I've learned how to launch with a little practice. Speaking of, I test drove a new altima recently, talk about torque steer. makes it hard to drive in a straight line.
Drag radials do help alittle. I run fat racing slicks on the summer car once and awhile for traction, although I've had the datsun sideways through 3rd gear with those tires on completely dry pavement ...but that car is very light in the rear.
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Tom, I understand what you are saying...correct me if I am wrong though....the cams is what mainly dictates how the powerband turns out. With that in mind, shouldn't a 13.4 CDW27 car be trapping ~105ish? a 'mere' 101 at 13.4 is a car with lots of torque and grip off the line and not much up top IMO. As I've stated many times, I'm not discounting Greg, but my brain housing group just doesn't compute the time/mph factor. Glad your back in the states and could leave the sandbox behind! Originally posted by warmonger:
Originally posted by dutchie:
13.4 is a great time for a N/A contour. I would like to see that without nos though. You would have to have some good horsepower to the ground to get that time with the weight of that car. I manage low 13's in a 2300 lb car, with 265+ hp at the wheels, and posi trac. There was a guy in the probe club I was in who pulled off a 13.1. I think he had a built J-spec motor with a 75 shot of nos though. It was nice to see a probe beat a mustang 5.0, z28 and a few other older muscle cars.
All the turbo cars are slipping through 1st and 2nd gear.
I ran a I have now installed 235/45-17s and I expect to improve that time by dropping the boost. I should trap lower but my traction will be improved and I can probably pull better than a 13.8xx.
Demon stated that he used drag radials. I have no idea what his motor puts down but I would expect that without any power adder he is at or abou 225-230 wHP with his fully programmable TWEECER tuning capability. The weight of his car should be around 3000 pounds.
By comparison, I ran <a href="mailto:14.8x@96">13.8@109">13.8@109</a> on stock width 215/45-17 street tires that were old before I left for Iraq.
I have now installed 235/45-17s and I expect to improve that time by dropping the boost. I should trap lower but my traction will be improved and I can probably pull better than a 13.8xx.
Demon stated that he used drag radials. I have no idea what his motor puts down but I would expect that without any power adder he is at or abou 225-230 wHP with his fully programmable TWEECER tuning capability. The weight of his car should be around 3000 pounds.
By comparison, I ran <a href="mailto:14.8x@96 with 206 wHP and piss poor racing skills with my 3L conversion and stock 215/50 tires.
My car weight was estimated at 3200 pounds because of the stereo system and spare tire, laptop in the car.
Demon managed a 14.8x with his 2.5L and stock tires, about 190 wHP I imagine. His car should have been about 3050 then.
I cannot expect that he could have significantly more than 230 wHP, but I know he has a lot more midrange torque.
Still, to pull 1.5 seconds off his 1/4 mile time and trapp 102-103MPH is quite impressive for only another 40 wHP.
So if he does have some nitrous then it is a sleeper kit.
I'm sure when he dyno's we'll be able to see why his motor is so strong.
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Originally posted by dutchie:
I, and anyone else who knows basic math, can tell you though, if a turbod CSVT runs a 13.2, a NA contour would need pretty close to the hp of the turbod car to make a time of 13.4.
Not necessarily.. Ive seen a 1400HP Viper that couldn't get into the 10's.. While I've seen pleanty of 500HP cars running high 10's.. The 1400HP Viper, like Burrita's Contour both have a heck of a time catching traction.. Greg also had drag radials the day he ran the 13.47.. He's also removed/transferred a lot of weight, while Burrita has(from what I can imagine) only added weight with all of the extra turbo/intercooler hardware.. Then you factor in the driver.. I can imagine Greg can row through the gears pretty well, proving excellent #'s everytime at the track.. So basically, these #'s aren't too far fetched, and with a good driver and some traction, a turbo SVT should easily be in the 12's..
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Originally posted by 99svtContourMan:
I know this is off topic but does anyone know what Suneil's Car runs in the 1/4. And one last question what is the fastest 1/4 you have heard from a svt contour N/A or turbo
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I agree, a turbod SVT should be able to be into the 12s....it just doesn't seem to be happening...? A N/A contour on the other hand is a different story. apart from traction, there just doesn't seem to be enough power. like you said with the viper example, traction is an important issue. that;s why a lot of the muscle car guys tub and shorten the rear ends, reduce the pressure in the tires etc...which also makes for nice wheelies  .
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IMO the only reason a turbo'd car has not broken 12's is driver related. They have more then enough power to get into the 12's.
For that matter look at the S/C cars. I do not even recall one that's even broken into the 13's. That's ranging from 260 to nearly 400 wheel HP in those cars as well. They should be well into the 13's. One of them perhaps even cracking 12's.
The bulk of the ET on this platform is made in the first 330' and that is all driver vs traction. A tenth or two can be made from smooth, fast shifting as well. That's NOT powershifting!
Well that's all taking for granted one doesn't shell an axle... 
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hey Demon...yah think a 3L with a decent setup and an above average driver with 100 shot and some nice radials could get into the 12's??? we might just see sometime...  
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I need money for a turbo kit, or the keys to one of these 350+HP monsters, THEN we'll see 12's!!!
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Originally posted by 99cougar:
hey Demon...yah think a 3L with a decent setup and an above average driver with 100 shot and some nice radials could get into the 12's???
we might just see sometime...
I think you and I could both be competing for that in the near future, as I plan to put a 100 shot on my 3L.
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or a 100 shot on what i plan to do... 
PLEASE HELP ME GET MY CAR TOGETHER! ITS IN DAYTON OHIO! I need the motor together and in the car so i can DRIVE it! Pleeeeeese!
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