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time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182495 02/10/05 09:24 PM
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 534 Z zm830101 OP Veteran CEG\'er
OP zm830101 Veteran CEG\'er Z Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 534	you know, after reading countless posts on the subject i think that it is time that we re-thought how we talk about 3.0l's. as of now we call them wahat they are, full oval, hybrid (3.0 with 2.5l heads and 3.0 valves), but this leaves a lot of room for confusion. for instance, in a recent post, somebody referred to demonsvt's set up as a full oval port, which it is not. (can you see where i am going with this?) if nothing else we need to at least come up with a simple catch phrase to describe a 3l with oval port heads, and svt induction. just for the sake of clarity. i am no noob and this can even get tricky for somebody who knows what they're talking about especially when hearing about all of 'em in the same post!! now imagine being a newbie and trying to figure this stuff out...holy crap man! what does everyone think? suggestions... split port 3l the early taurus kind full oval port referring to a 3l setup that still retains its oval manifolds ala stazi hybrid stays the same as it is now 3l w/2.5 heads & 3l valves "insert name here" oval port w svt induction ala demonsvt 2000 csvt #1553 Black/Tan

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182496 02/10/05 09:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 10,015 The land of Vegemite and Foste... S Stazi Hard-core CEG'er
Stazi Hard-core CEG'er S Joined: Nov 2000 Posts: 10,015 The land of Vegemite and Foste...	Not to rain on your parade. but I have a 2.5L SVT engine with a split port UIM. 2000 SVT Turbo 295hp/269ftlb@12psi #1 for Bendix Brakes Kits! Knuckles rebuilt w/new bearings $55 AUSSIE ENDLINKS $70 Gutted pre-cats $80/set A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine!

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182497 02/10/05 09:48 PM
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,106 Fort Wayne, IN Y Y2KSVT Addicted CEG\'er
Y2KSVT Addicted CEG\'er Y Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,106 Fort Wayne, IN	Originally posted by zm830101: hybrid stays the same as it is now 3l w/2.5 heads & 3l valves Hybrid's don't have to have 3L valves to be a hybrid. Hybrid = 3L block w/ 2.5L top end Not sure what you could call the 3.0L block/top end with the 2.5L intakes Mark 2000 Black CSVT 3.0L Hybrid - 206fwhp & 195fwtq

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182498 02/10/05 10:14 PM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 1,336 Kearneysville, WV F fastcougar_dup1 Hard-core CEG\'er
fastcougar_dup1 Hard-core CEG\'er F Joined: May 2000 Posts: 1,336 Kearneysville, WV	It's used countless times already on all threee forums ... it's called a 3L SVT. 3L = 3.0L block, 3.0L heads SVT = SVT Cams So, to summerize: 3L SVT = 3.0L block & heads with SVT cams For Sale: 1997 Explorer XLT V8 AWD

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182499 02/10/05 11:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 534 Z zm830101 OP Veteran CEG\'er
OP zm830101 Veteran CEG\'er Z Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 534	ahhh yes...but that does not specify what intakes are being used...my point. 2000 csvt #1553 Black/Tan

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182500 02/10/05 11:54 PM
Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 9,602 KC, MO D DemonSVT_dup1 Hard-core CEG'er
DemonSVT_dup1 Hard-core CEG'er D Joined: Sep 2000 Posts: 9,602 KC, MO	Damn you are making it MUCH MORE difficult than it is. The entire terminology refers to the ENGINE. That's it. No induction, no exhaust, no tranmsmission, et cetera. Full Oval Port is 3L oval heads and 3L block. Hybrid is 2.5L heads and 3L block. It really is as simple as that. SVT is commonly added if the SVT camshafts have been added to the mix. Normally that includes all the SVT manifolds as well but those in themselves DO NOT make it an SVT 3L. The cams are what give it that nomenclature. Most of the time the manifold type is a given. (i.e. any split port head is using spit port manifolds ) Nearly all oval port engines are running split port manifolds IIRC there are only 1 or 2 people running 3L oval port manifolds. That can using be designated by stating such. However it has NOTHING to do with it being a hybrid or full oval port. 2000 SVT #674 13.47 @ 102 - All Motor! It was not broke; Yet I fixed it anyway.

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182501 02/10/05 11:56 PM
Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 534 Z zm830101 OP Veteran CEG\'er
OP zm830101 Veteran CEG\'er Z Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 534	uncle... 2000 csvt #1553 Black/Tan

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182502 02/11/05 03:07 PM
Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 278 Grand Prairie, TX S SVTNupe_dup1 CEG\'er
SVTNupe_dup1 CEG\'er S Joined: Apr 2001 Posts: 278 Grand Prairie, TX	Originally posted by DemonSVT: IIRC there are only 1 or 2 people running 3L oval port manifolds. That can using be designated by stating such. Only 1 or 2 running 3L oval port?! I didn't realize I was in such a small crowd. Guess I'll change my sig to reflect that. I may have been one of the first to actaully try and do an oval port swap. Curtis 3L 'Oval Port' 98 Black SVT 180.5HP/178lbft '03 Black Sport Trac

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182503 02/11/05 03:10 PM
Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,621 West Des Moines, IA B bnoon_dup1 Redneck Troll
bnoon_dup1 Redneck Troll B Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,621 West Des Moines, IA	Originally posted by DemonSVT: Damn you are making it MUCH MORE difficult than it is. The entire terminology refers to the ENGINE. That's it. No induction, no exhaust, no tranmsmission, et cetera. Full Oval Port is 3L oval heads and 3L block. Hybrid is 2.5L heads and 3L block. It really is as simple as that. SVT is commonly added if the SVT camshafts have been added to the mix. Normally that includes all the SVT manifolds as well but those in themselves DO NOT make it an SVT 3L. The cams are what give it that nomenclature. Most of the time the manifold type is a given. (i.e. any split port head is using spit port manifolds ) Nearly all oval port engines are running split port manifolds IIRC there are only 1 or 2 people running 3L oval port manifolds. That can using be designated by stating such. However it has NOTHING to do with it being a hybrid or full oval port. Everyone has their own interpretation of anything on the net. I read "full 3L" as everything 3L from intake to pan. Of course people usually add on their substantial mods to that such as "full 3L with SVT cams"... I know of more full 3L's than I do 3L oval ports with modified twin port intakes on them... The main thing a newbie needs to understand is that there are MANY MANY options that he/she can move forward with. Judged by budget, parts and knowledge available, and how long they've been a member (or lurking) on this and other Contour/Cougar based boards. http://www.bnmotorsports.com "And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my CEG brothers. And you will know I am the Moderator when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Re: time to update what we call 3.0l's #1182504 02/11/05 06:02 PM
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,197 Grand Rapids, MI T todras_dup1 I have no life
todras_dup1 I have no life T Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,197 Grand Rapids, MI	Originally posted by DemonSVT: IIRC there are only 1 or 2 people running 3L oval port manifolds. 5speedSE, me, A2steve in his beater, Cpasut and a couple others on here I've seen. About 4-6 I think. -'96 SE MTX 3L -'98 SVT 1,173 of 6,535 -'05 Mazda 6s, loaded, g/f's ride -Need a 96-00 manual on CD? PM or email me

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