Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 7 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
S
Member
OP Offline
Member
S
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
Quote:
Originally posted by Dan Nixon:
Quote:
*Torque Graph, the Higher Initial Blimp at 2.0 is the Monster Flow, the lower initial is the AFE...

*Horsepower chart, the Higher Initial Blimp at 2.0 is the AFE, the lower initial is the Monster Flow...
Those graphs are confusing in B & W! I do not understand how the Monster flow is supposed to be making more tourque but less HP at low RPM??? I though they were directly related.. And I do not see why a filter that flows better would result in less power down low but more at higher RPM. K&N & KKM gives gains across the rev range. I understand little about A/F regulation by EEC-V but why would the computer be able to compensate at high RPM flow rates but not low??. At face value, both filters give about same area under the curve HP & tourque values (though I would rather have the more useful high RPM power). Micah do you have the dyno showing that A/F tuning was able to compensate for low RPM tourque loss with your AFE?? In view of these dynos, I think that is important.

Offer stands to compare K&N and AFE head to head in a few months.. I want the best filter myself. laugh
Dan if you look at the chart you will see the AFE has a big HP advantage over the Monster Flow from start to finish. The initial high blimp at 2.0-2.5 is the AFE Filter, not the Monster Flow, the only place where the Monster Flow showed some recovery was at 3700-4400 RPM. As far as the Tq curve, there can be numerous factors also including ECU. I don't know if John reset his computer prior to changing over to the AFE while dynoing, but that's a definate must as I found out with my Roar to AFE conversion. I felt there shouldn't have been much of any difference in airflow between the two, wasn't the case, the AFE was flowing much more than the Roar (by airflow readings on SAFC) that after I resetted the computer the difference was immediately noticeable. Dan I personally felt a definatel lag in the lowend on my car prior to resetting the ECU, but after I reset the computer overnight, traction was an issue!

Dan think about this for a second, if the Monster Flows flow capabilities are not the greatest, when the secondaries open up the demand for air will increase nearly twofold and will have less an ability to keep up with the demand, the AFE has no problem with that, in fact that was top priority in it's design. The Charts are real, the dyno was real and there's no ?ing a dyno, especially a reputable one. Just keep in mind that if the ECU wasn't reset for the AFE, that could be the answer right there as well and so the charts are really inaccurate as numbers would have definately been higher all around for the AFE...Sorry for the long Post cool


Performance Xpress Racing
Silverbulitt@msn.com

Our websit www.PXRacing.com is coming soon!!

We carry Contour/Cougar parts for the 2.5 Duratech and 2.0 Zetec
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
S
Member
OP Offline
Member
S
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
jcboekl you are on the right track indeed. That's what I'm trying to make who ever's reading these charts understand. If a filter creates enough backpressure than you will get an initial tq jump, tq and backpressure go hand-in-hand! The AFE was designed to minimize Back Pressure. Comeon Guy's if you spoke to someone who actually RACES on a regular basis (someone like me), I would tell you, 'Why would you be so concerned about driving this High Revving Motor in such low REV's, I sure don't!' wink


Performance Xpress Racing
Silverbulitt@msn.com

Our websit www.PXRacing.com is coming soon!!

We carry Contour/Cougar parts for the 2.5 Duratech and 2.0 Zetec
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,237
S
Member
Offline
Member
S
Joined: Nov 2000
Posts: 3,237
Micah,
Got to work today and saw my filter waiting, I installed it at lunch at took it for a drive! laugh laugh laugh

I also added a new (used) Superchip last night for the SVT that I got form Kaisers turbo SVT. I am so pumped now!!!

The AFE Filter is about 2x the size of the S&B it replaced. It loks HUGE and seems to flow a LOT more as I hade to richen up the S-AFC 3% all across the board!!!!

I'm doing very nicely now.

Now for the 18's, camber adjustment plates and Mirko. Yes!!!!


Regards,
Anastazi
Father of the Aussie Bar
anastazi.sarigiannis@aam.com

"Computer games don't affect kids. I mean if Pacman affected us as kids, we'd all run around in a darkened room, munching pills and listening to repetitive music."
-----------------------------------

2000 Silver Frost SVT #1126 of 2150
8" AFE/"Big-Mouth" Intake, Modified BAT Pipe, IAT Mod - A'PEXi S-AFC, Superchip, No Secondaries, Cobra/CSVT Hybrid MAF, Magnaflow True Duals, MYSTERY Mod, Autolite AWSF22FS's and FMS Wires, ES MM Inserts, Cross Drilled/Slotted Rotors w/ Greenstuffs, APR DTM Spoiler, Escort Cossie Vents, NACA Duct, Mirko Splitter, Koni's & H&R Springs, 24mm "Aussie" Sway Bar, 18" Enkei RS-5, 225/40R18 KDW-2's.
Pioneer DEH-P7000R, TS-6975's, TS-6855's, MTX BE104, MTX Blue Thunder PRO502
http://www.geocities.com/qikslvrsvt
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
S
Member
OP Offline
Member
S
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
Good to hear that STAZ!!! I know the Filter will come around, it's just a matter of time. Like they say, 'Out with the Old, in with the NEW!' By the way Staz wheather the Filter was big or small, the Filter just flows so well. With that size Filter you have, you're good till about 700hp laugh ....If you ever get there.

By the way guys, Did I mention I'm working on bringing Skylines into Hawaii. Hawaii and Japan relations are very good and it's been an idea for awhile, some changes will need to be made to the car to make it legal for the US but Motorex (US supplier of Skylines is just a Ripoff) I hope to have my R33 GT-R within a Year, and NO, I'm not selling the SVT, they'll both have there place in my Race Program under MACH 2 Motorsports.... cool


Performance Xpress Racing
Silverbulitt@msn.com

Our websit www.PXRacing.com is coming soon!!

We carry Contour/Cougar parts for the 2.5 Duratech and 2.0 Zetec
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,066
J
Member
Offline
Member
J
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,066
MMMM Skyline *GurgleDrip GurgleDrip*
laugh

How bout an R35 wink (When/If they come out)


Justin
1998 Black SVT
jcboeckl@unity.ncsu.edu
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 852
M
Member
Offline
Member
M
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 852
Cool graphs. Since I drive like a granny, I'm keeping my monsterflow... laugh

No high rpm use for me until the DMD goes in...


Marco Tatta
98.5 SE MTX, Duratec
EGR block, fog light
fix, custom shift boot, monsterflow intake, Ecotek valve
Quasi dual cardoctor exhaust.
Hacksaw short shift, Momo race "s" carbon knob, ghetto rear strut bar, 16 inch cougar wheels with 225/50/16 kumho 712s
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
S
Member
OP Offline
Member
S
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
Quote:
Originally posted by jcboeckl:
MMMM Skyline *GurgleDrip GurgleDrip*
laugh

How bout an R35 wink (When/If they come out)
**Rubbing the Green Paper** R35, for you, sure!!! Like Jeremy McGuire said, "Show Me The Money!!!"

I'm Sticking with my R33, I like the look of it better and I won't be carrying a debtttt to my grave laugh


Performance Xpress Racing
Silverbulitt@msn.com

Our websit www.PXRacing.com is coming soon!!

We carry Contour/Cougar parts for the 2.5 Duratech and 2.0 Zetec
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
S
Member
OP Offline
Member
S
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 667
Quote:
Originally posted by mangler:
Cool graphs. Since I drive like a granny, I'm keeping my monsterflow... laugh

No high rpm use for me until the DMD goes in...
When you're running up to 7600rpm like me, go ahead give me a call eek wink


Performance Xpress Racing
Silverbulitt@msn.com

Our websit www.PXRacing.com is coming soon!!

We carry Contour/Cougar parts for the 2.5 Duratech and 2.0 Zetec
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,066
J
Member
Offline
Member
J
Joined: Jun 2000
Posts: 2,066
Quote:
Originally posted by SILVA BULLITT:
Quote:
Originally posted by mangler:
[b]Cool graphs. Since I drive like a granny, I'm keeping my monsterflow... laugh

No high rpm use for me until the DMD goes in...
When you're running up to 7600rpm like me, go ahead give me a call eek wink [/b]
Oh you didn't know! I plan on selling my body (Man whore)! wink laugh wink


Justin
1998 Black SVT
jcboeckl@unity.ncsu.edu
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 7,329
D
Member
Offline
Member
D
Joined: Sep 2000
Posts: 7,329
Kill joy here...

BTW - that's spike at the end doesn't count as real power made.

You knock that spike off and you have an average ~2HP/1TQ gain


2000 SVT #674 - Check it out!

Whoever coined the phrase; "If it ain't broke; don't fix it" ~ Just doesn't get it...
Page 7 of 9 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

Moderated by  GTO Pete 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5