Contour Enthusiasts Group Archives Forums Modifications Duratec Performance AFE Filter compared to competition + Pic's pg4

Wow I really don't know what to say, I don't know if ProM can calibrate for this much airflow ....NAW, I haven't checked with ProM but I'm sure the results will be similar, I sure love to find out though.

I'd worry about a larger MAF or a SAFC later, the filter will still perform without it, it's just the filter will work optimally if the fuel settings were matched to negate for the lean condition the filter creates...Aloha

By the way DAN so what you're saying is if Monster Flow is making somewhere around 2hp@wheels than the KKM makes somewhere around 5hp@wheels and then I guess your 9" K&N makes around 7hp@wheels. Is this correct? Are these MAX numbers you're referring to or average peak. An average peak of 7hp@wheels is amazing that's why but not impossble with the right tuning available! You also need to realize in Johns case he had pretty much no exhaust mods save for a midas muffler in place of the res and only a CnL and a BAT inlet pipe. His dyno charts show that the car is obviously runnning pretty lean as it is and could of made a few more ponies with fuel tuning especially in the low end, I should know I got it on my car and WOW...I must admit the difference is unreal even when compared to the Roar, once it's tuned and I'm still using the stock MAF, inlet pipe and TB, you folks for the most part aren't. The Filters effectiveness is in relation to the rest of the mods and for what it's worth on John's car, those are some very good numbers for a mostly stock SVT!!!

jj...still haven't recieved an email yet. Maybe it didn't go through.

Sorry don't mean to bug ya.

Thanks

That is about right. Numbers I gave were power gains at peak power which is usually also the peak gains, though solid gains seen across the rev range. Hard to say eactly what the big K&N does vs stock. In my run ofcourse it was combined with 75mm MAF and smoothed airtube vs stock combined to add 12 HP. Ive seen 2 dynos for small (OEM size) without the airbox ..both made 5HP. Ive seen KKM make 5 HP but Ive seen it make 0 HP as well. Bobby Knauber compared KKM vs Monster Flow and KKM was about 3 HP better (IIRC). Monster Flow was 1 or 2 better than stock. Mine is 2 better than KKM. So, big K&N may add up to about 6-7 HP vs stock but that is sort of a rough estimate.

Is this the one i should order???

http://www.afefilters.com/merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=AFE&Product_Code=10-10010

Breidy if you want to maintain the factory airbox then yes you will go with PN#10-10010 go ahead and email me and I can provide you all the details. Silverbulitt@msn.com

Dan Trust me when I tell you the Filter will easily outflow any K&N, there's no question about it. AFE used Precision Pleat Geometry to optimize airflow and is engineered to control maximum filter face air velocity with deep precision pleats. K&N uses shorter pleats and is really choking the air, in otherwords it's limited in it's design. AFE Filter is a velocity stack which means it has a rounded exit into the the intake stream for a smooth transition allowing for less turbulence unlike K&N which is flat and can create turbulence. The Filter is also housed in 100% Polyurethane which allows the filter to never distort or break it's seal over time unlike the competition which use basically a rubber that can over time distort. My 8" Filter is lighter than my KKM so weight was also a factor in the design as well. A reputable Race Shop referred me to AFE because after numerous testing on there in house engine dyno, the AFE simply outdid the competition. AFE's abilities are more prominent the higher the hp get's.

Like they say FOLKS, 'Change is HARD but it's always due to come!' K&N and similar products have always and still are good products, AFE has just entered the market determined to channge the way Filters are designed. A number of AFE employees were originally with K&N but when AFE set out to build a better product some of thes faithfuls followed inline.

If you decide to try the Filter you won't be disappointed...Aloha, Micah

Micah, It look like they make an intake kit for the 3.0 Escape. Do you think this would work for the SVT?

P/N-50-10031

Naw wouldn't work Lee!! Seems the MAF Flange is different. Our only options are to use a drop-in replacement filter, SVT only at this time, and a bolt on Universal Filter which is the one I'm recommending for maximum hp.

You may be right Micah. Or maybe not. I "think" that a bigger less effient filter may work as well as a smaller more effcient filter. So to some extent, you can compensate by going to a big filter (like me!). At some point going bigger/better gives diminishing returns and I suspect that is the case with the SVT - it is only 2.5L and I have a big filter. But, this is all just speculation..I may be wrong, so...

What I might consider is this. Hopefully in the next month or 3, I plan to dyno again to check a few more "tweaks". I THEN (not NOW) buy the AFE and do another side by side comparison big K&N vs AFE. If the AFE beats K&N by enough to make it worth my while (which would depend on how much the thing is, I do not know), then I keep it. If not, I return it for full refund including all shipping...Whatcha think?

Worth my while, OK for example if the AFE cost $50, I would think gaining 2 HP would be OK, Say 3 HP for $100. Something like that. At $100, 1 HP would not cut it.