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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
I'm confident the area under Hector's HP/TQ lines will be more than a Honda could dream of.
Fo sho.
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91 Escort GT (almost sold)
96 ATX Zetec (i brake to watch you swerve)
FS: SVT rear sway bar
WTB: Very cheap beater
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When I did a custom turbo kit on my Neon a few years ago I did it for less then $600 and it ran, but not well. Another $300 and it ran well and got the same MPG when not under boost. So for under $1000 I put together a reliable system. It pulled a 13.3 in the 1/4 mile. With street tires. The supercharger alone costs a minimum of $2000, but whatever 
ATX MTX swap, rear drum disc swap, drilled rotors, ported intake, optim throttle body, CAI, 7.5L MAF, adj. fuel regulator, longtube headers, underdrive pulley, no EGR, low inpedence bigger injectors, 2002 Focus Swap
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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
Lets break down Hectors price/power ratio a bit, shall we;
First lets settle on 175wHP.
Now assuming a 23% loss through the drivetrain, thats about 227BHP.
On a car starting with 130BHP, thats a gain of nearly 100HP, a 75% bump in power.
And superchargers are not like turbos, they are not going to double an engines HP output (normally).
So for about $4000 for 100HP = $40 per 1HP.
A good Honda kit adds 60-70HP, maybe as much as 80HP, for about $2500 new.
Thats about $35-$42 per 1HP, $31 per HP at 80HP gain.
So Hector paid all of $9 per HP more for a car that has near zero aftermarket support.
Tuning will raise that cost maybe $2 per HP more, makint it $42 per HP and only $11 more per HP than a less efficient Honda kit.
We would all like to see a Honda type kit (install in 2-3 hours for a 60HP gain ) but its not going to happen.
BTW, I think 160-170wHP is about where Hector will top out even with tuning, on his current setup which is very impressive!
Of course when he has other work doen that number will go up.
And its not all about peak numbers, I'm confident the area under Hector's HP/TQ lines will be more than a Honda could dream of.
Jesus Christ dude you gotta lot of time on your hands  , I wouldn't have had the patience to figure that out, also how did you figure it out?
Anyhow where did all you guys get those nifty covers for around and over your spark plugs those are cool and make the engine compartment look cleaner.
Jason G.
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Born: 11/96
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Originally posted by 77Transam95GL:
170 - 180 whp?!?!.. Seriously?
No disrespects but that's really depressing  , i mean you spent almost 4000 dollars in mods, 3920 to be exact, not to mention the cost of installing everything. I mean, thats 2720 more than what I got my car for!  ..Dang hector you must be a baller bro, spending all that loot on your car! I have a hard time thinking i spent 400 bucks on all the mods I have ( gotta Luv Ebay  )Man i really hope U end up with 270-280 whp...good luck on that Dyno
you expect more from a JRSC?
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Originally posted by percybigun:
hector where did you get the supercharger for $2000, the cheapest i can find it is $2450 (shipped) at import car parts plus?
i'll be ordering mine very soon! much cheaper than a turbo conversion, and it will put out better mpg than being turboed.
but alot less power.
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Originally posted by SleeperZ:
Lets break down Hectors price/power ratio a bit, shall we;
First lets settle on 175wHP.
Now assuming a 23% loss through the drivetrain, thats about 227BHP.
On a car starting with 130BHP, thats a gain of nearly 100HP, a 75% bump in power.
And superchargers are not like turbos, they are not going to double an engines HP output (normally).
So for about $4000 for 100HP = $40 per 1HP.
A good Honda kit adds 60-70HP, maybe as much as 80HP, for about $2500 new.
Thats about $35-$42 per 1HP, $31 per HP at 80HP gain.
So Hector paid all of $9 per HP more for a car that has near zero aftermarket support.
Tuning will raise that cost maybe $2 per HP more, makint it $42 per HP and only $11 more per HP than a less efficient Honda kit.
We would all like to see a Honda type kit (install in 2-3 hours for a 60HP gain ) but its not going to happen.
BTW, I think 160-170wHP is about where Hector will top out even with tuning, on his current setup which is very impressive!
Of course when he has other work doen that number will go up.
And its not all about peak numbers, I'm confident the area under Hector's HP/TQ lines will be more than a Honda could dream of.
Thanks for breaking it down.
I wanted reliable HP. JRSC was a proven, reliable mod. It wasn't about cost. Sure I could have built a turbo kit for the same amount but for me it wasn't realistic. I own an ATX and the level of torque a turbo makes would have grenaded my ATX. I wanted decent, reliable power (not the most ever) because my car is daily driven. I remember discussing back in the old forums about the possibilty of the JRSC fitting the Contour....I had some money saved up so I went for it. I wanted something different. So my car is where it is today. I really couldn't be happier. Got some small mods I still got to do (TB and water injection) but the car has come a long way from making 90 HP and the wheels. 
Trust me this is not the end. I just bought a used cylinder head which will be torn apart very soon. 
Hector
2003 Rally Red Mitsubishi Evolution VIII
257HP/259TQ
2005 Lapis Blue Mazda 6s
RET: 00 Cabernet Red Ford Contour Zetec ATX SUPERCHARGED
160HP/141TQ
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that is really cool. i dont understand how a super/turbo work tho i can get the bacis principles ran more air in equals more hp. but i dont have that much money to be doing things like that. i have a family and dont get paid that well. so one day i get money ill do it. let me know what you port and polish the head to. i have a freind that can do it for free. ill just go to a yard and get one. i thank everyone for the insite up here and have opened a new whole can of worms in my mind. thanks again
Price of body kit so far...$3
Price of wing...$20
Feeling that everyone is staring at your contour...PRICELESS
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Originally posted by mystique97:
Anyhow where did all you guys get those nifty covers for around and over your spark plugs those are cool and make the engine compartment look cleaner.
check the zetec performance forum for "add some bling blng to your engine bay"
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Originally posted by ford zetec2:
after than, what do i do with the 98 short shifter? do I place it in there like it is?
Stick it in your butt and rotate.
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yeah that guy sells the shiney spark plug cover for approx 25dollars plus shipping from the UK.
i got one from raceline on mine.
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Hector, You posted earlier that you got the Kamikaze Header. I found one at http://www.mmrusa.com for the Zx2. Is that the one you used, or did you find one specifically for the Contour? btw, my name's Zeke, doesnt it suck when everyone knows YOUR name 
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