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Originally posted by dnewma04:
They would have been competitive with another QB.
LOL 
Originally posted by dnewma04:
Elway? The guy who put up decent-good stats for a long long time and finally got a superbowl when the team surrounding him became the all-around package.
But they were a Super Bowl caliber team long before that 'overall package'. He was the system.
Originally posted by dnewma04:
Montana? QB for the greatest run any frachise ever. You could say product of the system.
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Originally posted by mikey boy:
marino is the best QB of all time. he had no team and still put the best numbers ever. it is a no brainer. 
Statistically speaking, there is no argument.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by bishop375:
Davo, what will it take for you to admit that he belongs in that class of QB?
When he does it for a team like Cincinatti or Arizona.
LOL, I don't think Montana couldn't have won rings with these teams this year. And I know Montana wouldn't have won jack with the squad SF put on the field for 04.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
Originally posted by mikey boy:
marino is the best QB of all time. he had no team and still put the best numbers ever. it is a no brainer.
Statistically speaking, there is no argument.
Agreed.
But in intangibles, getting it done? Montana.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
They would have been competitive with another QB.
LOL
Trent Dilfer could have led that team to the Super Bowl. They were unbelieveably stacked in all facets of the game. Not winning more than 1 super bowl was a shame.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
Elway? The guy who put up decent-good stats for a long long time and finally got a superbowl when the team surrounding him became the all-around package.
But they were a Super Bowl caliber team long before that 'overall package'. He was the system.
That is why for the first decade of his career, he had only one more TD than he had interceptions. It's amazing how the stats became Hall of Fame like right around the time that Davis and their defense started dominating. 4 games over .500 for a 6 year stretch between playoff viability.
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Montana? QB for the greatest run any frachise ever. You could say product of the system.
LOL
Is that not the major reason that some critics say he isn't the number 1 QB of all time?
that is the ONLY criticism I have seen. Personally, in a playoff game, there is not another QB I would rather have.
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Originally posted by Davo:
Tom Brady is more like Kurt Warner than he is Brett Favre or John Elway.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
That is why for the first decade of his career, he had only one more TD than he had interceptions. It's amazing how the stats became Hall of Fame like right around the time that Davis and their defense started dominating. 4 games over .500 for a 6 year stretch between playoff viability.
i'd like to go ahead and chime in to drop my friends name... mike lodish. #97 DT for six seasons at denver, including those championship years. he said elway was a real [censored].
that is all.
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Originally posted by mygameisplatnum:
Originally posted by Davo:
Tom Brady is more like Kurt Warner than he is Brett Favre or John Elway.
Ben is obviously a much better QB than any mentioned. Right Chill1110?
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Originally posted by Davo:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
It's amazing how Dillon is no longer a crybaby when put into a better situation.
Wow, must be a really classy guy if he quits crying when he gets on a better team. 
Where did this notion of him being a crybaby come from? He was a quiet, go about his business player for his first 6 years. Then when he had a bit of an injury and rudi johnson started to emerge and Cinci was basically going to dick him around in favor of a younger back, he spoke up. HE was far from a crybaby and he definately came to work and did his job game in and game out.
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
I don't think I understand the point of posting Payton's numbers?
I had asked for numbers for a comparison. I wouldn't go as far as to say that they aren't in the same league, the rushing numbers are similar and while paytons bears teams early in his career werent that good, dillon's bengals teams were even worse. Payton was hands down a better pass catching back
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