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Originally posted by Kremithefrog:
do sum work
HAHA! Me, do work? Yeah right. Security Guard at your service...Oh, wait? I sit at a desk all night with CEG at my fingertips?
It sure does get boring around the board this time of night.
But yeah, I gotta go walk some floors. WHOOHOO!!
Be back in an hour...
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
So, we gotta have nekkid pics of Rays wife to know we're still alive inside?
It's not necessary but if he's volunteering, I'm willing to be accomodating.
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Naked people [DON'T]=ART
that's just something ugly people say.
seriously though, that's just your opinion. a minority opinion, I might add, given the prevalence of the human form in many photographs and classical paintings.
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I don't care how many "artists" have chosen to portray the human body...It doesn't matter to me whether or not my opinion is in the minority or the majority... What matters is this... God designed the human body to be beautiful. So called "artists" have taken what God created and placed it in different poses on different canvases and created the vast world we call "art." They didn't add anything to it, or take anything away from it. All they did was take credit for creating this so called "art." Art is in the eye of the beholder, obviously. A tin can can mean a whole lot to somebody and be nothing more than a tin can to another. The problem with the "art" you speak of here is that there is no rhyme or reason to it. It is not art. What if Ray had posted nekkid pics of himself? Would you have been quite as interested in the "art"? I doubt it... So, again, I say that "art" is in the eye of the beholder, and as much as you would like to classify "Ray's Pix" as art, I can only classify anything that "sluttifies" the body as pornography. The old saying goes "Garbage in, Garbage out." You fill your mind with smut and soon you get a dirty mouth and mind. No longer are you looking at women as beautiful beings, but rather as objects, that one can obtain in various positions suited to ones liking. When was the last time your head turned at the slightest hint of skin and immediately thought of where that skin lead to? Eh? Again, I have not seen "Ray's Pix" and prefer not to, but if they are anything like he is describing, they are nothing but a private moment shared between he and his wife that he is now demoralizing others with. No longer are they simple shots of his wife for him to drool over, but she has become the object several guys in here have begged to see. And if those individual guys were to happen upon his wife (at a CEG meet or whenever), would they think of anything other than what they saw in the picture? Wishing to see more? Maybe a live peepshow? Unfortunately, as humans, we are very in tune with the artists of the day. We can look at history and see how artists have nearly defined and certainly captured the times in their works. The human body though, is timeless. God created it so that we as humans would find a mate, live and procreate together, not so we could lust over one another.
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"Everything has beauty, just not everyone sees it" Aristotle. Painters, photographers, and artists all have a passion for what they consider Art. I do think women and men, too, are art. The body is a beautiful thing and unique. I have a liscense plate fram from www.signwavez.com and it scrolls "Redefining Art" Just because I truely think that art is something you love and totally encompasses you and your thoughts. Something you see beautiful..but not everyone has to see it they way you do. My car is a piece of artwork. Thank you carry on. Ray-I have my own site and I am more than willing to upload them. www.zumstyle.com
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i think zum's site is more appropo domain-wise than my site for hosting (www.uber-haxor.com).  ~Andrew
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
I don't care how many "artists" have chosen to portray the human body...It doesn't matter to me whether or not my opinion is in the minority or the majority...
If it doesn't matter to you, then what makes you qualified to pass judgement on what is, and is not, art?
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What matters is this...
Enlighten me...
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God designed the human body to be beautiful. So called "artists" have taken what God created and placed it in different poses on different canvases and created the vast world we call "art." They didn't add anything to it, or take anything away from it. All they did was take credit for creating this so called "art." Art is in the eye of the beholder, obviously. A tin can can mean a whole lot to somebody and be nothing more than a tin can to another.
That is EXACTLY it, in a nut shell. These "so-calleD" artists you refer to may not have added anything to the photo, but it is DEFINITELY in the eye of the beholder. They added essence. You can't just take a photo, or a painting of EXACTLY what is there, and expect it to represent anything other than a captured moment in time. It is the artistic impression that is added that creates a mood, an emotion even, in the photo/painting.
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The problem with the "art" you speak of here is that there is no rhyme or reason to it. It is not art.
Again.. I beg to differ.. you just got done saying that you haven't seen these pictures, so what makes you able to pass this judgement on my time and investment? These.. ALL of my pictures... were done with a "rhyme or reason" to them. They all represent something of our lives. Whether I was capturing a sensual moment, or trying to encompass all that it meant to carry our child, I took each and every photo to "mean something", thank you very much.
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What if Ray had posted nekkid pics of himself? Would you have been quite as interested in the "art"? I doubt it...
I actually have quite a few pictures of myself, taken by others (not the wife), and done for the EXACT same reasons... capturing the beauty of the human form, regardless of things such as physical deformity, etc (not myself.. just stating that a paraplegic is still as readily beautiful as anyone else, etc.. Pictures of me being considered "art" is JUST as applicable as any pictures of a female form. Art is subjective, and as such is subjected to the scrutiny of whichever eyes are looking upon it.
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So, again, I say that "art" is in the eye of the beholder, and as much as you would like to classify "Ray's Pix" as art, I can only classify anything that "sluttifies" the body as pornography.
Once again you haven't seen anything, and I haven't forced you to look at anything that you aren't interested in. I am still confused as to how you can be so all-knowing about matters with which you have obviously not studied, or taken any interest in, personally.
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The old saying goes "Garbage in, Garbage out." You fill your mind with smut and soon you get a dirty mouth and mind. No longer are you looking at women as beautiful beings, but rather as objects, that one can obtain in various positions suited to ones liking. When was the last time your head turned at the slightest hint of skin and immediately thought of where that skin lead to? Eh?
I disagree, wholeheartedly. I deal with this on a daily basis, and have been for some 8 years. I fill my mind and heart completely with this matter (as anyone passionate about anything will do), and I would challenge you to find a "dirty mouth and mind" on me. I look at women as a gift from God. They are a creature that captures every moment in time without trying, and are (as such) completely deserving of the utmost repsect and admiration that I, or ANY MALE ON EARTH, can give. You haven't the foggiest idea how I feel about women, nor how I treat each and every one I see (stranger or family alike).
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Again, I have not seen "Ray's Pix" and prefer not to
Finally, you are seeing the reality of the matter, and I won't subject you to anything that you don't wish to see. Hell, I can't make ANYONE broaden their horizons..
Ray
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I like to wear dresses and use binoculars to watch grandmas across the street.
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Louis specifically said that Ray's pictures were to be posted by link, IF he even chooses to upload them at all. This puts the power to view the pictures in your hands and if you choose to click the link that leads to the pictures, it becomes your own damn fault if you're offended. By this very reason, your argument becomes completely null. You are ranting about something you haven't even seen yet. It's comparable to saying "That car under the car cover over there is ugly." and yet it's under a cover. What basis do you have for saying the car is ugly or that Ray's wife is sluttified? I myself would take personal offense to such a blunt remark. I personally don't mind either way. If Ray posts the pictures, more power to him. I've seen shots of Jenna before and the ones I've seen are by no means mere "these are my tits on webcam" pictures. There is clearly time and money invested into taking some pretty good still shots. I can't say I fully see the "art" behind it, but I have an idea of how it works and I'm not going to look down on somebody who does have an understanding of it. If they do, more power to them. Conversely, if Ray decides against posting the pictures (especially after this uproar) then I won't be offended. Jenna is completely capable of making her own choices and Ray is capable of making his own choices. I'm not going to lose sleep because of a few pictures on a car message board. Instead of just whoring it, I think this is a situation that is actually appropriate for: -SAV
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Originally posted by 99SESPORT:
God designed the human body to be beautiful.
Yet it shouldn't be looked at? 
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Originally posted by Ray:
Finally, you are seeing the reality of the matter, and I won't subject you to anything that you don't wish to see. Hell, I can't make ANYONE broaden their horizons..
Ray
So, to broaden my horizons, I have to actually view your wife in "artistic" form? That's what it takes to broaden my horizons? I shall pass....
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