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ive been working on my stomach now for about a year now...but i need to change up my routine.
it consisted of:
50 regular
80 straight leg
100 bicycle
40 side (each side)
(adding more reps if i felt like it)
does anybody have a really good specific crunch or even a routine that i could use. mainly worried about the lower.
and by the way...my routine that im changing...very very good and effective
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this is not my routine but that of a martial arts world camp i used to know. daily he would do:
-500-1000 reps of sit ups or crunches depending on how he felt that day.
-run five miles
-500-1000 push ups
-streching
the man had a stomach like a rock.
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Honestly, spend the $100-$200, go to a sports medicine place and have your VO2 max tested. They will tell you all of your zones and which ones to do on which days. Zones are just target heart rates in relation to your max heart rate before you go into complete lactic acid threshold. Your body reaches a point when your lungs can no longer metabolize the oxygen in your lungs, and your body produces too much lactic acid for the oxygenj to process. There are several zones you should work out in. The sports medicine place will tell you exactly what heart rate in relationship to your max heart rate will burn the most fat. And since most people store the most fat on their stomachs, your stomach will go down like crazy. Doing sit ups will not get rid of the fat and it can actually make you look fqatter. Reason is by doing a bunch of sit ups, you are actually building the muscles under your layer of fat. the bigger muscles will make you appear to be fatter than you really are. You really can not get into the right zone by doing sit ups because you will hit your anabolic threshhold before you get into the fat burning zone. Anabolic threshold is basically when your body starts to flood the muscles with lactic acid. once this happens, you can not exercise that muscle any longer efficiently. anyways, sorry for the long post and good luck.
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Step one is to ignore everything Bike2112 said, except the vague reference to sit-ups not being the only way to get rid of your gut. Maybe you know and do this, but you need to incorporate intense aerobic exercise into your routine of abdominal workouts. Not doing so will build muscle under your layers of fat and you will never see results. But, contrary to the Circus Science that Bike2112 presented to us, you need sit-ups (or other abdominal exercise) in order to get definition there. My advice depends on what type of equipment you have access to. If your gym has an ab board, use that for your crunches. Do 50-80 or so traditional crunches. Rest for a minute and then do outer-elbow-to-knee crunches to work the obliques. Equipment like the piece pictured below should have a handle on it so that you can spin around and do leg-ups, which reverse the crunch motion. You can also vary the motion of the leg-ups to work larger muscle areas. That has been my routine, and it works well. The leg-ups work your lower abs. You'll find that out the first time you do them. I'm surprised that you saw results using the routine you used. I used to do sit-ups like those, and they never gave me a broad enough range of motion to be very effective. 
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Originally posted by Davo:
Step one is to ignore everything Bike2112 said, except the vague reference to sit-ups not being the only way to get rid of your gut.
i was trying to think of a nice way to say the same thing davo. unfortunately everything that came to mind would get this thread locked in a hurry.
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thanks alot guys for your input, im gonna try them for about a week and see how it works.
i think one of the reasons that my old routine was effective and i saw results was because i was swimming, on average, 2500 yards a day, varying my strokes
but again, thanks
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You need to change your routine around often, as muscle adjusts to any constantly repetitive motion and your gains will slow and plateau in time. My experience is that stomach muscles do this less so than other muscle areas, but you will hit a wall sooner or later...
I usually do a variation of 8-10 different excercises on my stomach every other day, which lasts about 10 minutes. High reps are a waste in my opinion; the various crunch routines I do only see up to 30-40 reps with everything else seeing 15-20. The key is variety; you want to shock your muscles.
High reps will get you there, but I get MUCH better definition out of juggling a large variety of excercises with a low to medium number of reps than plugging away at 3-4 excercises and a ton of reps. Even shuffle the areas you start on first (lower, mid, upper, side). I've been told to start with lower abs and work my way up, but I meander all over the place...
Get a book on ab excercises and play around with them. It will take a while, but you'll find a good mix of excercises that will give you a hell of a "burn" and work best with your body. You can go broke buying ab isolation equipment; a bench, a gym mat and few medicine balls are all you will ever need if you adjust your routine around.
Finally, fat is burned off in layers on your body. Anybody telling you that they can target fat burn is selling something or they don't know what they are talking about.
By the way, I'm 30 with a 32 inch waist at 165 lbs. and I've carried an 8-pack since I was in high-school, so I'm obviously doing something right. A lot of it is the type of diet I keep and my genetics, but I won't totally dismiss my routines, either.
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running is quite possibly one of the bets workouts you can do for abs. long distance running is harsh on your abs (and a lot of other parts of your body besides your legs, actually). not only is it one of the best methods to burn off fat, but it'll tone your midsection down rather quickly. standing erect and moving your upper body they way you do when you run (did I make any sense right there?) for 45 minutes a day will have you droppin pounds and inches, toning your entire body in no time. this is not, however, a good think to do if you want to bulk up. ever wonder why you never see bulky, muscular long distance runners?
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"Circus Science" LOL!  That hit the nail on the head. Wasting money getting imaginary sh!t measured is just that, a waste of money. How is the workout you end up doing going to be any different? You work out till it hurts - that's my motto! Do the ab excercises Davo described and you'll build ab muscles well, but not doing aerobic activity will never allow you to see them. I play indoor soccer for my aerobic activity. My g/f is a Marathon runner and she has an awesomely flat stomach (and body  ). I on the other hand lift a lot of weight so I can't have the lean look as well as the bulk. Not at this point in the game, anyway.
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I do the ab roller 4 sets to failure
then I do a hanging leg raise 4 sets of 20 (grasping the bar as if u were doing a wide pullup)
thirdly i move on to a cable crunch 4 sets of 20 (medium heavy weight)
and lastly i do leg lifts with 15-20lb weight slowly
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 That's what I do ...seriously  That and walk/run on treadmill or the track down the street from my house. I definitely can feel the abs tighten when I run. It's probably the only time I'm holding myself up straight during the day (I LOVE to slouch).
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That thing looks like a torture contraption. Gimmik! 
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Originally posted by Davo:
Step one is to ignore everything Bike2112 said
Why is that, everything he said sounded good to me? Are you some kind of export in personal fitness?
In your unsolicited diatribe, you chastise someone who obviously knows something, and then you spend 2 paragraphs saying nothing but crunch this, and crunch that. Thanks, Captain Obvious!
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Here are a few that I have done over the years...
The Six-Minute Abdominal Burn
Six minutes. Thatââ?¬â?¢s precisely the amount of time it takes to make a fresh pot of coffee or sit through the commercials between ââ?¬Å?Seinfeldââ?¬Â re-runs. Six minutes out of your day. All you need is a level floor.
Start this torture session just as the end credits begin to roll. A few Sprint, Bell Atlantic, and Burger King commercials later, Jerry should be starting in with the monologue that kicks off the ensuing episode. And by then, your midsection should be burning like charcoal.
Contrary to what many believe, abdominal workouts do not need to be done in the gym. Your abs don�t need to be tormented through the hi-tech apparatuses or by the squeaky cable machines. In fact, the best abdominal workouts you can possibly get are right in your own home.
However, the key to making your self-crafted ab workout turn your jelly belly into a blazing six-pack is the big ââ?¬Ë?Vââ?¬â?¢. Variation. Blending a number of different motions and exercises with all sorts of variations in motion, speed, and resistance can shock your midsection into the washboard of your desire.
First, wear light clothing that will make you more agile, allowing your movements to be steady and flowing. Plop down on the floor and take a deep breath. Prepare yourself mentally. This ab workout will consist of one long, continuous set with no breaks in between various movements. Maintaining constant strain on your abs is the key here.
Start with basic crunches. You can either place your hands behind your head or leave them by your sides. However, do not pull your head up with your hands. Bend your knees so that your feet remain flat on the floor. Slowly allow your shoulders to raise off the floor without using your back whatsoever. Begin with 50 slow, strict repetitions before adding in a twist.
A Russian twist, that is. Raising your shoulders off the ground, slowly twist your torso from side to side. You want your right elbow turning toward your left knee and your left elbow twisting toward your right knee. These will seriously burn so try 20 of these with a strict form.
Jump right into leg raises. Extend your legs in front of you, making sure that your feet do not touch the floor. You want to start with them together, about six inches off the floor, before raising them so that your legs form a 45-degree angle. Feel your rectus abdominis tear throughout the 25 repetitions that you crank out.
Whip right back into a set of crunches. Except this time, try them with your legs straight, extended flat out across the floor. While you�re doing these crunches, pretend that an imaginary string is pulling your upper torso off the floor. Make the 50 repetitions flow while the abs grind.
Without hesitation, fling your legs into the air and take on a set of pikes. Your arms are out straight, pointing toward the floor, as you raise your shoulders in an attempt to touch your toes. All the while, your buttocks are lifting slightly off the floor. As you lower your shoulders to the floor, your legs come down again, into a bend position on the floor. No sooner do they touch that you�re beginning the next repetition and the motion flows through 25 agonizing reps.
On the last rep, leave your legs straight up in the air so your toes are pointing toward the ceiling. Crank out 30 crunches to intensify the burn. If you face difficulty in maintaining that 90-degree angle at your hips, slightly lower your legs to the floor.
Then, cut through those abs with some scissors. Lower your legs so that theyââ?¬â?¢re 12 inches off the floor and lock your arms behind your head. Lifting your right shoulder off the floor, twist your torso just as your opposite leg ââ?¬â?? or left knee ââ?¬â?? bend into your right elbow. Immediately lower your knee and shoulder and then twist your left elbow toward your right knee. Try doing 25 of these before lowering your shoulders to the mat for the final exercise of the workout.
This will be another set of 50 basic crunches, just like the set that you began the workout with. Exercise slow, strict reps as the burn spreads like wild fire.
The final rep will leave you feeling like you narrowly escape a blazing building in once piece. But here�s a warning: for the next half-hour, you may be doubled over, holding onto your tummy, putting out the flames. And for once, Jerry Seinfeld�s hilarious one-liners will have nothing to do with it.
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Deep fried Abdominals
Burn, baby, burn.
The inferno you�re about to set blazing through your midsection will be the result of a smoldering abdominal workout, one that�s designed to carve up that stingy midsection.
While many bodybuilders crave the ââ?¬Å?burnââ?¬Â that you get from tearing up a muscle group, nothing compares to the sensation you get from a fiery abdominal workout.
Unlike other muscle groups, ab workouts usually consist of a long, continual sets with no rest periods, maintaining constant strain and tear on your six-pack.
Hopefully, your abs will be so blazing hot from this workout that you could fry eggs on your tummy.
DECLINE SITUPS: Lock yourself into the decline bench. With your ankles lodged underneath the pads, slowly lift your upper torso off the bench. Make sure that your upper torso ââ?¬â?? everything above the waist ââ?¬â?? is perfectly straight. Lift only a few inches off the bench, or so that your torso forms a 45 degree angle with the floor. Make sure you are concentrating on the abdomen, squeezing the ab muscles at the contraction. Slowly lower your torso to the bench, trying to merely touch the bench with your back, not resting any of your body weight on it. Try doing 3 sets of 40-50 reps.
ROPE CRUNCHES: Connect the rope attachment to the upper hookup of the cable machine. Grab one side of the rope in each hand and turn away from the weight as you drop to your knees. Make sure that the weight is not set too high and that you are grabbing the rope on its ends. Hold the rope to the sides of your head and slowly lower your torso toward the floor. You should squeeze your abs during the exercise, stopping your elbows about six inches from the floor. Slowly bring your head back up to the starting position and repeat the motion. Try doing 3 sets of 30-40.
PIKES: Lie flat on your back on either a mat or the floor. Have your arms outstretched with your fingertips pointing to the ceiling. Bend your knees slightly. Slowly raise your shoulders and your legs off the floor simultaneously. Try to touch your toes with your hands while you squeeze your abdomen. Slowly bring your shoulders back to the mat and your feet back to the floor. Repeat the movement for 3 sets of 20 repetitions.
Of course, variations to these exercises will work different parts of your midsection. To fry those obliques, try twisting your shoulders into the movements. For instance, with decline sit ups, bend your torso to one side during the exercise and on the next rep, try hitting the other side. This twisting motion will brush through your abdomen like a raging forest fire.
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SUPER CRUNCH
To add some intensity to your regular crunches and really blast your abs, try this advanced ab exercise. Lie on the floor in your regular Crunch position, knees bent, hands over ears (not locked behind head) or in tight to chest.
Now, crunch up approximately 10 inches, holding the peak contraction for a count of 4. In this fully contracted position, the key is to really squeeze your abs together hard. Imagine pushing your upper abs into your lower abs and vice-versa (like an accordion coming together).
From this point, you want to return to the floor very slowly. The trick here is to try to keep your abs tenseand contracted during the eccentric or negative phase of the movement. And you want to return slowly; it should take a count of 3-4.
Repeat the motion trying to maintain as much continuous tension on the abs as possible. This movement is not about "how many" reps you can do . . . it�s all about how hard you can squeeze your abs and maintain tension.
I like to shoot for a grueling set of 12-20 reps and then finish off by immediately going into a set of 8-10 regular paced Crunches.
HANGING LEG RAISES
Hanging Leg Raises are becoming one of the most popular abdominal exercises, and with good reason. This intense movement is a great way to target the entire abdominal region including the difficult to hit lower abs.
If you�re not already incorporating Hanging Leg Raises into your ab routine on a regular basis, you should give them a go. Here�s the basic technique.You begin the movement hanging from a Lat Pull-up bar. Your grip should be about shoulder width apart, and your arms should remain fully extended throughout the movement.
You want to bend your knees slightly and keep them bent throughout.Now, using your ab muscles only, raise your legs up to a point where your feet are about level with your belly button (note: you do not want to swing your legs up with your hipsââ?¬â?focus on your abs).
As typical with abs, hold the peak contraction for a count of one or two and squeeze hard. Perform the negative portion of the movement slowly by lowering your legs resisting somewhat on the way down. Repeat for a tight set of 12-20 reps.
ISOLATED PULLEY CRUNCH
Here�s a bit of a tricky one-arm variation on the basic Pulley Rope Crunch that�s a great way to finish off your ab work every now and then and keep things fresh.You do the exercise pretty much the same way as basic Pulley Rope Crunches but here, of course, you use just one arm at a time.
With the rope attached to the high pulley on the cable machine, grab one end of it with one hand. From here, you want to kneel down on a pad leaving enough room in front of you to perform your Crunches, about two feet or so.Now keep your arm and hand locked in position a few inches above and to the side of your head. Pull down, bending forward at the waist. You want to pull all the way down to the floor.
Concentrate on only pulling down and forward with your abs. Don�t swing, and try to keep the movement fluid rather than jerky. Hold the peak contraction for a second or two and return to the starting position slowly.Perform 12-16 reps, take a brief rest (30 seconds), and then repeat with the alternate arm. When performed properly, you�ll find this variation strongly stresses the intercostals and the serratus.
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Quick Tip for Amazing Abs
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Here's an ab technique that's been around for years, but you may not have heard about. When doing your ab exercises, make a conscious effort to keep your tongue firmly on the roof of your mouth. That's right-your tongue on the roof of your mouth!
Not only does this place the muscles in your neck in a biomechanically stronger and therefore less vulnerable position, but also there's some good magnetic imaging evidence which suggest that this simple technique may enable your body to recruit more muscle fibers in the abdominal region. And utilizing more muscle fibers translates into greater development and definition. I know it sounds odd, but it works and that my friends is what counts.
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Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Originally posted by Davo:
Step one is to ignore everything Bike2112 said
Why is that, everything he said sounded good to me? Are you some kind of export in personal fitness?
since when is being correct contingent on being an expert? i seem to recall a patent office clerk telling the "experts" that light did not need ether to travel.
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Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Originally posted by Davo:
Step one is to ignore everything Bike2112 said
Why is that, everything he said sounded good to me? Are you some kind of export in personal fitness?
In your unsolicited diatribe, you chastise someone who obviously knows something, and then you spend 2 paragraphs saying nothing but crunch this, and crunch that. Thanks, Captain Obvious!
Yes guys why is that? What is so imaginary about VO2 max and understanding Aerobic and anaerobic thresholds in order to maximize muscle gain and fat loss. I respect guys that know more about cars than I do when they offer advice, but I would like to know your credentials in personal training and your influences to get a better understading of why you feel the way you do.
Now as someone who makes his living as a personal trainer I will point out the most obvious flaw. you said you have been doing this routine for a year. If your not changing your routines every 4-6 weeks, you are going to plateau. Plain and simple. Second, I need to know your foundational strentgh. Can you hold the plank for 45- 60 seconds This is when you lay with your body extended in natural postural position resting on your forearms with your elbow directly under your shoulders. If you cant utilize your abs to keep your spine stable then you have no business overloading them. Your abs primary job is to stabilize your spine. You will not beable to maximize strength in any part of your body if you do not have the ability to stabilize the spine. Third, I would implement some more functional exercises. While you are doing oblique crunches you don't seem to be doing any twisting exercises such as cable twists or cable wood chops. Fourth, are you working your lower back region? Make sure you are doing exercises to focus on the multifidus, erector Spinae and quadratus lumborum. you need to make sure you have 360 degree support for your spine. Feel free to PM me if you would like more insight on any of these things.
PS Not sure if you said this in your post, but how often do you work your abs? Some people think abs are some kind of special muscle that can be worked everyday. Abs are like all other muscles, when you work them you break fibers and they need time to regenerate themselves. IF you do them with that intensity which your program shows everyday, you aren't allowing them enough recovery time
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Yo Scott you should have PM'd that info, dam dude that was a lot of space.
It is simple people! The five best things you are gonna do to get the stomach you want is..... Jog or run, switch off types of ab exercises, pull-ups, eat healthier, and stay away from beer. The beer especially if you don't have a good matabolism! Keep it simple. Most anyone can do it, it is the sticking to the working out and eating better is what everyone fails at. Remember results will take time, be patient.
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Originally posted by somthin220:
ive been working on my stomach now for about a year now...but i need to change up my routine.
it consisted of:
50 regular
80 straight leg
100 bicycle
40 side (each side)
(adding more reps if i felt like it)
does anybody have a really good specific crunch or even a routine that i could use. mainly worried about the lower.
and by the way...my routine that im changing...very very good and effective
Some more thoughts from me, i'll be m ore brief this time. Utilize stability balls to increase the intensity and recruit more muscle fibers. when it gets easy on the ball, close your eyes while on the ball or only use one foot to balance yourself. The more you challenge your propiroception the more muscle fibers you will need to recruit
Not sure what you mean by straight leg. I think you may mean some sort of leg raise. Just remember that if done incorrectly leg raises will use a lot of hip flexors and very little abdominals, similar to what situps do
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All you a- holes posting that my info is bs- go and study up next time. Except the guy who is a personal trainer. You all missed my point. The guy wants to firm up his midsection and the best exercise for this is sit-ups. Sit ups will not GET RID OF THE FAT ABOVE THE MUSCLE. before you allo blast me for not knowing anything.
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I think I am qualified to speak on the matter. The guy wants to get tone and cut. Just doing sit-ups and strength training will not get him tone and cut. It has to be a balance. Strength training builds muscle. Now we can talk about building short fibers and bulk with heavy weights and few reps or long lean fibers with light weights and many reps. Building muscle without working in fat zones will just make you look bigger and bulky. YOU HAVE TO WORKOUT IN THE RIGHT HEART RATE ZONE TO BURN FAT. I'm not saying this zone exclusively, but it has to be incorporated into your weekly routine.
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
All you a- holes posting that my info is bs- go and study up next time. Except the guy who is a personal trainer. You all missed my point. The guy wants to firm up his midsection and the best exercise for this is sit-ups. Sit ups will not GET RID OF THE FAT ABOVE THE MUSCLE. before you allo blast me for not knowing anything.
I was a professional cyclist for 10 years. Ranked as high as 4th according to NORBA for observed trials. This is pro class.
Won more races than most people have entered, mind you I say most people.
Pennsylvania State dual slalom champion 2001. I could keep going.
One of my best friends owns a bike shop. We regularly sponsor VO2 max sessions,
I am friends with 3 different owners of helth clubs, not employees, but the owners. @ Golds Gym's and Fitness concepts. Look em up if you doubt.
One of my team mates at the bike shop is a professional chiropractor and has placed in the top 5 at the Hawaiian Iron man.
My family owned a dance studio, before you tease I did not work there, for over 20 years.
My sister has a degree in dance and was a professional dancer, not stripper so no comments.
My mother was a professional dance instructor. She is currently one of the premier teachers for The Alexander Technique of movement therapy. She also has a minor degree in nutrition
My father played football on a full scholarship to William and Mary and was invited to try out for the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions. He decided to start a family instead as pro football was not a lustrious back in the 50's and 60' dollar wise.
My brother went to UNC on a full soccer scholarship back in the late 80's.
I think I am qualified to speak on the matter. The guy wants to get tone and cut. Just doing sit-ups and strength training will not get him tone and cut. It has to be a balance. Strength training builds muscle. Now we can talk about building short fibers and bulk with heavy weights and few reps or long lean fibers with light weights and many reps. Building muscle without working in fat zones will just make you look bigger and bulky. YOU HAVE TO WORKOUT IN THE RIGHT HEART RATE ZONE TO BURN FAT. I'm not saying this zone exclusively, but it has to be incorporated into your weekly routine.
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he doesn't need to know about vo2 max, zones, or any other modern hoopla. and he certainly should not pay anyone to perform some test on him when all he wants to do is get in better shape. here is what he needs to know:
-eat right. that means use common sense, so no midnight snacks, overeating or eating and going straight to bed. and for the love of god ignore those fad diets.
-there are alot of ways to do a sit up/crunch/leg lift. pick some and do bunch of those. change it up sometimes.
-a man must breathe. that means aerobics. so run or ride a bike or swim or run up and down alot of stairs or something. maybe even do all of them.
-stretch. you don't need to be a pretzel but you should be flexible.
since you want to talk about qualifications......i have been both in shape and out of shape. i have had a flat stomach, i have had defined abs(not a full six pack) and i have had a gut. furthermore, my family contains two types of physiques: very inshape and fat. i know what it takes to be both. it is not rocket science or quantum theory. it is basic common sense.
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he doesn't need to know about vo2 max, zones, or any other modern hoopla. and he certainly should not pay anyone to perform some test on him when all he wants to do is get in better shape. here is what he needs to know:
1st off it was a suggestion. Let me put it another way. You have modded your car (working out) and you want to know how much horsepower you are putting down at the dyno. (VO2 test). Same thing except your body is more important than a car. It is kind of like the guy who has a cel after changing everything he can think of without running the codes. Treat your body like your car. To mod your car, you research different performance adders, get suggestions and perform your mods.
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since you want to talk about qualifications......i have been both in shape and out of shape. i have had a flat stomach, i have had defined abs(not a full six pack) and i have had a gut. furthermore, my family contains two types of physiques: very inshape and fat. i know what it takes to be both. it is not rocket science or quantum theory. it is basic common sense
How does being fat and then thin make you qualified. If anything it may indicate an eating disorder or mental imbalance.
I don't care if you don't like what I say, but I have not said he SHOULD get a VO2 test, it was a suggestion. So go get something to eat dummy.
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Originally posted by todras:
Why have a 6 pack when you can have a party ball?
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
One of my best friends owns a bike shop. We regularly sponsor VO2 max sessions,
I find that shocking, in light of your telling the starter of this thread that VO2 is the way to get where he wants to go.
Exercise science is quite the phenomenon. Amazingly, I've acheived tremendous fitness goals without spending hundreds of dollars on assessments and programs. There is no substitute for hard work. And quite honestly, much of exercise/nutrition science is Circus Science. You will have one person telling you this is the way to do it (Atkins) and have another tell you that way to do it will kill you. The same goes for exercise science.
I guess if you want to be a professional athlete, you can go and spend hundreds of dollars on assessments, supplements, programs, and equipment. I didn't get that indication from the starter of this thread however, since he was simply looking for an ab routine, not how to correctly balance the pH and oxygen levels of his blood.
EDIT: I misspoke. I was in a speed/endurance/plyo program in high school that cost several hundred dollars, but it was completely natural and did not alter my body chemistry in any way.
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
All you a- holes posting that my info is bs- go and study up next time. Except the guy who is a personal trainer. You all missed my point. The guy wants to firm up his midsection and the best exercise for this is sit-ups. Sit ups will not GET RID OF THE FAT ABOVE THE MUSCLE. before you allo blast me for not knowing anything.
I was a professional cyclist for 10 years. Ranked as high as 4th according to NORBA for observed trials. This is pro class.
Won more races than most people have entered, mind you I say most people.
Pennsylvania State dual slalom champion 2001. I could keep going.
One of my best friends owns a bike shop. We regularly sponsor VO2 max sessions,
I am friends with 3 different owners of helth clubs, not employees, but the owners. @ Golds Gym's and Fitness concepts. Look em up if you doubt.
One of my team mates at the bike shop is a professional chiropractor and has placed in the top 5 at the Hawaiian Iron man.
My family owned a dance studio, before you tease I did not work there, for over 20 years.
My sister has a degree in dance and was a professional dancer, not stripper so no comments.
My mother was a professional dance instructor. She is currently one of the premier teachers for The Alexander Technique of movement therapy. She also has a minor degree in nutrition
My father played football on a full scholarship to William and Mary and was invited to try out for the Dallas Cowboys and the Detroit Lions. He decided to start a family instead as pro football was not a lustrious back in the 50's and 60' dollar wise.
My brother went to UNC on a full soccer scholarship back in the late 80's.
I think I am qualified to speak on the matter. The guy wants to get tone and cut. Just doing sit-ups and strength training will not get him tone and cut. It has to be a balance. Strength training builds muscle. Now we can talk about building short fibers and bulk with heavy weights and few reps or long lean fibers with light weights and many reps. Building muscle without working in fat zones will just make you look bigger and bulky. YOU HAVE TO WORKOUT IN THE RIGHT HEART RATE ZONE TO BURN FAT. I'm not saying this zone exclusively, but it has to be incorporated into your weekly routine.
Listen, I am glad that you are Lance Armstrong, and that you come from a family of mutant genetics that allows them to excel to the point of immortality. I was merely stating that you dismissed someone elses contributions to this thread unnecessarily, and quite rudely might I add.
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After reading this thread this morning, I remembered I had a gift card for Boarders. So I went in and was looking at the fitness section but there were sooo many different books to choose from. Can someone enlighten me as to what I should be looking for. Can anyone suggest a specific book? A little bio: I am looking to loose a little weight and start toning my midsection. I am 6'3" 235lbs, and have even been told by a fitness trainer that I have great potential for a great "bod" but I don't know where to start.  I am not "fat" and have on occation been checked out by "hawt chicks" when I'm in my work getup, (shirt, tie, dress slacks, and occationaly a sport coat). Mabey it is just because I look expensive.
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Originally posted by Red92784:
After reading this thread this morning, I remembered I had a gift card for Boarders. So I went in and was looking at the fitness section but there were sooo many different books to choose from. Can someone enlighten me as to what I should be looking for. Can anyone suggest a specific book?
A little bio: I am looking to loose a little weight and start toning my midsection. I am 6'3" 235lbs, and have even been told by a fitness trainer that I have great potential for a great "bod" but I don't know where to start. I am not "fat" and have on occation been checked out by "hawt chicks" when I'm in my work getup, (shirt, tie, dress slacks, and occationaly a sport coat). Mabey it is just because I look expensive.
I am in a similar boat as you, I am 6'3", and as of last week, I weighed 226 lbs. I am down today to 217 lbs. Granted, 4 or 5 of those pounds are water weight, but it is progress regardless. Just get to the gym 3-4 times a week, eat 3 balanced, moderate meals a day, and you will drop weight.
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Originally posted by Bike2112:
go get something to eat dummy.
i see you want to start name calling.....agian. i only threw out the qualification to show that my knowledge was as based in experience as yours and to show that measuring members in not evidence that you are correct but is instead absurd. so far most people in this thread agree that you are trying to over complicate the issue when all the poster wanted to know what if and/or how he should alter his workout.
simple question=simple answer
the only time one gives a complicated answer to a simple question is when one feels one has something to prove.
my uncle(a marine incase you want to know his qualifications) always said it this way: master the basics and you will never need fancy s--t.
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Originally posted by jerseycat10:
Just get to the gym 3-4 times a week, eat 3 balanced, moderate meals a day, and you will drop weight.
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I cant afford a gym membership at this point in time.
I normally eat a bagle w/ cream cheese for breakfast, usually not much of a lunch (salad), and well, I rarly get a decent dinner. I eat alot of Italian food so I know I'm getting my carbs, I just don't know what to do with them.
I used to weigh 250lbs. Once I saw that on the scale I decided it was time for a change. I stopped eating fatty stuff, iced cream before bead, McDonalds almost every day, snacking every half hour. But I cant seem to get below 235. I get McDonalds like once a week now, I rarly even touch iced cream, and I cut out all the snacking. But I cant seem to get below 235. I was doing crunches, sit ups, and leg ups for like 4 months but I was seeing no results. I could feel my stomach getting tighter and I was able to do more reps but I still had this damn spair tire!
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Man I wish I were some of you guys in the "lose weight" boat.  I'm 5'6", checked in at 126 lbs this morning on the bathroom scale and I've had Type 1 Diabetes for about 2.5 years now. This is the most I've weighed in my entire life. I'm struggling just to maintain my weight in the 120s. And that's by eating morbidly every day. I eat on average 9-10 times between waking up and getting back in bed. Often I wake up in the middle of the night and fix myself a sandwich or a bowl of cereal. I like to think I eat healthy, though I could afford to pass up the teriyaki chicken more often. I never exercise efficiently outside of maybe rollerblading once or twice a month, and most of my calories are burned by walking around at the mall. I checked into the ER after blacking out on the living room floor in the middle of my 16th birthday party. I had dropped 21 lbs in two days, since my one year check up had just been the same week and I weighed 118 lbs. My blood sugar was so high that the glucose meter at the ER recorded an error and I had to get tested via urine; the result was over 1000. It was the most insane day of my life, especially considering normal blood sugar levels for the average human being reside between 75 and 120 with very little fluctuation. Would getting out to the gym a few days a week and building some muscles up result in a weight gain? Because eating almost every hour of the day damn sure ain't helping much!  -SAV
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Originally posted by Red92784:
But I cant seem to get below 235. I get McDonalds like once a week now, I rarly even touch iced cream, and I cut out all the snacking. But I cant seem to get below 235. I was doing crunches, sit ups, and leg ups for like 4 months but I was seeing no results. I could feel my stomach getting tighter and I was able to do more reps but I still had this damn spair tire!
You have a good start towards losing a lot of weight and getting better visual results. You need to start aerobic exercise. If you can't afford a gym membership, invest in a good pair of running shoes and start running first thing in the morning (or another time if more convenient, but make sure it's at least 2-3 hours since you last ate). It's better run fast than it is to run long (when I'm in peak shape/condition, I can run about 5 miles in 30 minutes, and that is better than 10 miles in an hour). The aerobic exercise will melt the fat away and reveal the muscles beneath, on all parts of your body.
As for a good book, Body for Life is the best one-stop exercise/nutrition routine book that I've read. I don't subscribe to the idea that you can make the transformations those people made in 3 months unless you have nothing else to do than the fitness/nutrition program and have bags of money to spend on the protein shakes that help the results come the fastest. Also, I was slightly perturbed by the fact that he pushed his supplement products (Myoplex) throughout the book, but the other advice he gives is excellent. Nonetheless, this book details the how/when/what/where/whys of a healthy lifestyle. Even loosely following his plan and suggestions will result in better health and fitness. This book has been (or was, I haven't checked recently) on the NYT Bestseller list for several years.
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Thanks, I'll check out the book. I wonder if I can order it from Boarders. 
Edit: Just bought it from Amazon, and they even let me use my Borders gift card! $20.16 Should be here by the end of the week.
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Originally posted by acrdklr:
he doesn't need to know about vo2 max, zones, or any other modern hoopla. and he certainly should not pay anyone to perform some test on him when all he wants to do is get in better shape. here is what he needs to know:
-eat right. that means use common sense, so no midnight snacks, overeating or eating and going straight to bed. and for the love of god ignore those fad diets.
-there are alot of ways to do a sit up/crunch/leg lift. pick some and do bunch of those. change it up sometimes.
-a man must breathe. that means aerobics. so run or ride a bike or swim or run up and down alot of stairs or something. maybe even do all of them.
-stretch. you don't need to be a pretzel but you should be flexible.
since you want to talk about qualifications......i have been both in shape and out of shape. i have had a flat stomach, i have had defined abs(not a full six pack) and i have had a gut. furthermore, my family contains two types of physiques: very inshape and fat. i know what it takes to be both. it is not rocket science or quantum theory. it is basic common sense.
You are very ignorant. It's not circus science, its proven fact that he is talking about. His suggestion isn't for everyone, but for someone who knows very little about working out, it could be a worthwhile investment. His car analogy is very on point. We all know how to make our cars go a bit faster right? But would you drop a 3 liter in and turbocharge it but not get it tuned? You could, and your car would be faster than before, but it wouldn't be as fast as it could be. Would you buy MSDS headers then change your stock airbox? It doesn't take a scientist to know that to lose weight you need to exercise. But if you want to get the best results, you need to work smarter, not harder and thats where working with professionals comes in. Yes going to the gym is a good thing, but if you don't know what your doing when you get there you are depriving yourself of results.
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Originally posted by Red92784:
I cant afford a gym membership at this point in time.
I normally eat a bagle w/ cream cheese for breakfast, usually not much of a lunch (salad), and well, I rarly get a decent dinner. I eat alot of Italian food so I know I'm getting my carbs, I just don't know what to do with them.
I used to weigh 250lbs. Once I saw that on the scale I decided it was time for a change. I stopped eating fatty stuff, iced cream before bead, McDonalds almost every day, snacking every half hour. But I cant seem to get below 235. I get McDonalds like once a week now, I rarly even touch iced cream, and I cut out all the snacking. But I cant seem to get below 235. I was doing crunches, sit ups, and leg ups for like 4 months but I was seeing no results. I could feel my stomach getting tighter and I was able to do more reps but I still had this damn spair tire!
You dont even need to start running, start walking. Its all about calories in vs calories out. I'm not gonna get super specific on what to eat and not to eat but i would say the cream chees on the bagel isn't the best. And while i'm not a nutrition guru I can tell you that even that once a week mcdonalds can be sabotaging you. Typical mcdonalds meal probably has about 1500 calories in it which is about 500-750 calories more than a proper meal you can make yourself. HAve that mcdonalds once a week for a year and thats an extra 10 lbs. Remember the basics, lifting weights builds muscle, cardio burns fat. to be inshape you need to do both. I live in NYC where gym memberships are 90 bucks a month and people say it's expensive. I say that it's only 3 bucks a day. When i lived in the suburbs it was only 25 bucks a month. Stop making excuses, cut back something in your life and find the money for the gym membership. It will pay you back in improved health and the increase in energy will allow you to work harder to make the money to pay for it and will allow you to have energy to enjoy your time off
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Originally posted by Red92784:
I cant afford a gym membership at this point in time.
I normally eat a bagle w/ cream cheese for breakfast, usually not much of a lunch (salad), and well, I rarly get a decent dinner. I eat alot of Italian food so I know I'm getting my carbs, I just don't know what to do with them.
I used to weigh 250lbs. Once I saw that on the scale I decided it was time for a change. I stopped eating fatty stuff, iced cream before bead, McDonalds almost every day, snacking every half hour. But I cant seem to get below 235. I get McDonalds like once a week now, I rarly even touch iced cream, and I cut out all the snacking. But I cant seem to get below 235. I was doing crunches, sit ups, and leg ups for like 4 months but I was seeing no results. I could feel my stomach getting tighter and I was able to do more reps but I still had this damn spair tire!
Omitting Bagels with Cream Cheese is a start. There's over 600 calries right there and 200 of those are from fat! Eat cereal instead, lower calries, almost no fat if you stay away from the sugary stuff and use 2% or skim milk, and higher in fiber too.
If you've got a big frame and you're 6'2" / 6'3", you won't be able to go much below 200lbs without cutting serious body fat, and that is "atheltic" territory.
If you aren't doing enough aerobic activity to get your hear-rate up, you'll be struggling to burn fat. Consider running, bike riding or playing team sports like indoor soccer, basketball etc - sports that get your heart rate up and burn fat.
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Originally posted by Red92784:
...I was doing crunches, sit ups, and leg ups for like 4 months but I was seeing no results. I could feel my stomach getting tighter and I was able to do more reps but I still had this damn spair tire!
Once again, you CANNOT target fat loss, at least not without the help of a plastic surgeon that is doing liposuction on you.
Fat comes off your body in layers. PERIOD.
I'll shout it until I'm blue in the face, so here goes again: PROPER diet is the single, largest, most important factor in tuning your body into what you want. You can lift like crazy and run your legs into oblivion and then you MIGHT get where you want to be, but if you change your diet, you'll only need to do HALF the work you would need to do otherwise.
Cut down on the carbs a bit, absolutely TOTALLY kill fast food from your diet (ESPECIALLY soft drinks) and start eating right. This will help with fat loss more than just about anything else you can do. Couple this with an moderatlely aggressive cardio routine and some weight lifting and you should be shedding noticeable pounds in short order. It does take time and patience, though.
Fruits, yogurt, toast, oatmeal or cereal for breakfast. Grab an apple, beef jerky for a 10:00 snack (or something of the like). Eat a small but balanced lunch (chicken or tuna, salad and a piece of fruit) 3:00PM? Afternoon snack time with another piece of fruit, some nuts or something else. Eat a light dinner, preferrably before you workout. Finally, don't load up on snacks before you go to bed.
Eating smaller meals more frequently helps your metabolism run a little faster. It will also keep you from gorging yourself during main meals.
Unless you're grossly obese, there's no reason to chop all carbs out of your diet. A diet that consists of a large amount of lean protein (fish, lean beef, chicken), lots of veggies and a small amount of carbs (bread, pasta, etc.) and a modest amount of fruit is going to really help you out.
Again, AVOID soft drinks at all costs. Water is your friend, so suck it down like there is no tomorrow.
Splurge a little on the weekends so you don't freak because you are starving your tastebuds of the "finer" foods that are heavy on sauces and butter. Just make sure you don't go overboard and keep meals like that to 1-2 times a week.
Diet is the key. Once you get a solid one in place and get a workout routine built up, the results WILL start showing.
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so far most people in this thread agree that you are trying to over complicate the issue when all the poster wanted to know what if and/or how he should alter his workout.
Again you are right. The poster wants to know if he should alter his workout. I did not say he had to get a test. It was a suggestion, just like running your codes is a suggestion before changing everything in your car trying to fix a cel. It is a quicker way to get the desired results. What if the guy could get into shape in 1/2 the time, 4 weeks instead or 8 weeks. All a VO2 test is give you a baseline on where to start...and again it was a suggestion.
Everyone has posted some great ways to get into shape for this guy. My suggestion is merely a way to get the results the guy wants in a much more efficient way. thats all.
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the only time one gives a complicated answer to a simple question is when one feels one has something to prove.
I did not give a complicated response to his question. I gave a suggestion. I gave some degree of detail in an effort to help the guy out. When we post on here about getting info for something we want to do to our cars, we hope to get some detail about what we are asking because we want to learn. Usually we get the famous "search" comments, but he probably would not find anything on getting into shape by searching this site.
I don't have anything to prove at all. I am just offering a suggestion for the guy. All of my detail has been in response to people telling me that I am full of it, when the very people bashing me really don't know anything about fitness other than no pain/no gain mentality.
Guys- the VO2 test was a suggestion. I never said the other suggestions were bad at all, so lay off. You don't have to agree with me, but just because you do, doesn't mean I'm wrong.
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you know what, take a couple hundred bucks and hire a reputable trainer, get references and ask around a bit. do 5 sessions, enough to get an assesment of your body and a basic plan put together. Every couple of months, invest in a single session just to tweak a few things that way you can get one persons consistent opinion. This post is getting overwhelming
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first, i am not the one who called it circus science.
second, while i am not a personal trainer all four things i told him to do are correct. i understand that my suggestions won't send any business your way but that does not make my info wrong. i offered a free, low tech, easy to implement method for getting in shape.
third, i do not recall saying that measuring your breathing ability was snake oil nor do i recall saying that about trainers. i will review this thread later when i have more time to make sure i am not forgetting something i said. i did, however, say that for his purpose such things are unnecessary.
fourth, if you would like to discuss why/how eating right, exercising the muscles you want to see improved, getting a healthy dose of aerobics and stretching are bad for you then i would love to hear it. for the purpose of this discussion it is assumed that these four things are being completed with common sense.
until then, unless you are an athlete looking for the absolute edge you do not need complicated formulas or fancy measurements to get in shape.
oh yeah, i agree with your most recent post for the person who chooses not to take care of and monitor his own fitness.
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Originally posted by acrdklr:
dj capp
first, i am not the one who called it circus science.
second, while i am not a personal trainer all four things i told him to do are correct. i understand that my suggestions won't send any business your way but that does not make my info wrong. i offered a free, low tech, easy to implement method for getting in shape.
third, i do not recall saying that measuring your breathing ability was snake oil nor do i recall saying that about trainers. i will review this thread later when i have more time to make sure i am not forgetting something i said. i did, however, say that for his purpose such things are unnecessary.
fourth, if you would like to discuss why/how eating right, exercising the muscles you want to see improved, getting a healthy dose of aerobics and stretching are bad for you then i would love to hear it. for the purpose of this discussion it is assumed that these four things are being completed with common sense.
until then, unless you are an athlete looking for the absolute edge you do not need complicated formulas or fancy measurements to get in shape.
oh yeah, i agree with your most recent post for the person who chooses not to take care of and monitor his own fitness.
The things that you told him are correct, but they are very vague and different people will need different things. You scratched the surface which is fine, I was trying to give him a bit more of an in depth approach. You do not have to be an athlete to make use of principles of exercise science. In this country where everyone wants a quick fix I am surprised people wouldn't be more willing to work with a trainer to maximize results in the least amount of time
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