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Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
Originally posted by dnewma04:
Originally posted by KnuKonceptz:
And here is more reading on Monster from a previous post, check about mid page:
http://www.contour.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=interests&Number=799131&page=&view=&sb=5&o=&fpart=5&vc=1
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Brian is the Radioshack manager from that thread.
no he's not. he's the mis-informed ex-RS employee. keep your lemmings straight, dave.
Yes I used to work for RS. But we never sold Monster when I was there. Nor will they be carrying it for a long time here in Canada. I now work the #1 retailer for Monster in the world, Futureshop. We also sell a small amount of Acoustic Research also.
So most of you are saying that you don't buy Monster cables because of marketing "hype". I for one have yet to ever see a monster TV, radio or print advertisement here in Canada. And its a Canadian company that's the #1 retailer of Monster. That means only two things: 1)Sales people here believe in it 2) Lots of word of mouth from customers.
If you don't like companies that have aggressive advertising then you can't shop anywhere. Lets make a list of other companies that do the same thing.
Wal-Mart
Circuit City
Best Buy
Futureshop
Johnson & Johnson companies (talk about a huge company)
Progressive Insurance (I can't go through one TV show from the US without seeing at least 3 commercials)
Ford
GM
Chrysler
Every single television station
Sony
Panasonic
LG
Sprint (telephone services)
Cingular
Covergirl
Dell (!!)
Radioshack
Rogers (Canadian communications giant, cable, internet, wireless)
GAP
Old Navy
McDonalds
Burger King
A&W
Wendy's
AT&T
The list can go on forever. All the big companies spend just a much on advertising "hype".
This is getting ridiculous. If you don't like a company'sproduct or the way the company works, keep on shopping somewhere and keep it to your self.
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Brian,
Surely, you understand the difference between advertising and marketing, right? I mean, this is pretty basic business...business 001 perhaps?
And I will continue to do whatever it takes to let people know that there are better values that will result in no degredation of sound quality and offer the same build quality as Monster.
FWIW, I won't buy from DEI either, but for different reasons than Monster.
Do you also partake in supporting Bose equipment? It appears that you could be easily trained to like the sound of their "audio" equipment, too.
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Originally posted by BrianW:
If you don't like companies that have aggressive advertising then you can't shop anywhere. Lets make a list of other companies that do the same thing.
i have a better idea. lets make a list of companies that charge outrageous amounts of money for otherwise standard products because of ridiculous marketing claims.
i'll start...
monster
bose
enzyte
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Originally posted by MxRacerCam:
Originally posted by BrianW:
If you don't like companies that have aggressive advertising then you can't shop anywhere. Lets make a list of other companies that do the same thing.
i have a better idea. lets make a list of companies that charge outrageous amounts of money for otherwise standard products because of ridiculous marketing claims.
i'll start...
monster
bose
enzyte
Strangely enough, they are marketing to the same people. 
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
Brian,
Surely, you understand the difference between advertising and marketing, right? I mean, this is pretty basic business...business 001 perhaps?
And I will continue to do whatever it takes to let people know that there are better values that will result in no degredation of sound quality and offer the same build quality as Monster.
FWIW, I won't buy from DEI either, but for different reasons than Monster.
Do you also partake in supporting Bose equipment? It appears that you could be easily trained to like the sound of their "audio" equipment, too.
I have taken some Bose training. I am still not impressed with their products. Sure you can get lots of sound from a tiny speaker(Lifestyle & Acoustimass systems). But the amount of processing that has to take place to do it is out of this world. Bose products have their places and certain situation where they would be perfect. But if someone comes in looking for a good system, unless they ask, I won't even mention Bose. Sure they have some cool features here and there(ie. uMusic), but for a feature like AdaptIQ, there is far better. Like Yamaha's YPAO.
FYI, I am not easily "trained".  I've been in electronics retail for about 6 years now. I don't need to be trained.
EDIT: I like the Bose 201 and 301 series V, they have a really nice sound for music and would be perfect for a second room for background music. Probably the only Bose speaker I would buy.
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Originally posted by BrianW:
This is getting ridiculous. If you don't like a company'sproduct or the way the company works, keep on shopping somewhere and keep it to your self.
Actually, that statement was rediculous. Dave is saying he thinks Monster charges too much for what they sell. He is informing members here of that fact (and it is a fact, regardless of what you've been trained to think)
If I think Monster is being too aggressive in thier suing of anyone that even thinks of using the word monster in thier name or has in the last 25 years or so, and want to inform others of that opinion I'll do so and you can grab yourself a spoon and have a nice helping of my ass.
If you don't like reading negative reviews of Monster's practices, please feel free to turn off your computer and never open another newspaper to the business section because nobody in thier right minds would approve of these tactics.
The combination of overpricing, making up rediculous claims, and pushing thier weight on obscure companies that bear no resemblance to them other than a word is what drives me away from them.
I'm sure you've read alot of material regarding Monster Cable products and I'm sure you have gotten to a point where you now believe it all, but until I profit from believing it or it becomes true (both unlikely), I won't.
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Hmmm,
A Futureshop sales man is trying to tell some of us what is good becuase of word of mouth? Would you like to know what i recommended people get when they had a system installed by me, be it SQ spl or whatever. Def not monster. There is a reason Best buy stopped carrying monster car audio stuff. For the price its no better than the RF crap that cost half as much.
Hmm Salesman get some expirance instead of the reps tellin you ohh the silver strands make rap sound better...............
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You audio guru's are...  ... NUTS!
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Originally posted by SteedaSan:
Hmmm,
A Futureshop sales man is trying to tell some of us what is good becuase of word of mouth? Would you like to know what i recommended people get when they had a system installed by me, be it SQ spl or whatever. Def not monster. There is a reason Best buy stopped carrying monster car audio stuff. For the price its no better than the RF crap that cost half as much.
Hmm Salesman get some expirance instead of the reps tellin you ohh the silver strands make rap sound better...............
I do have experience thank you very much. I was given the facts and I have experimented myself. I have never heard of the "genre specific" cables until mentioned on here. I agree that most likely that is BS. But I can't say for sure because I have no experience with them. I don't care for the reps of any brand. They don't do anything but go around to all the stores(any store/retailer) and try and make it look like they know something.
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The reason Monster Cable is successful is for one, they were probably the pioneer in better cables for most of the 80's. Then at some point, they stopped and realized they could sell poop for $9.99 at Best Buy and make a healthy profit.
Brian, maybe your not hearing us.....Now again, their products are really not the problem, its the outrageous price inflation. This is why I say, I'll send you my $35 cable, you compare it to the Monster $120 cable, show it to your customers. Let them see if they can find where the extra $85 is? Oh that's right, in the hands of lawyers......they are free with every cable purchase.
Your mentality of Monster Cable is very similar to one of my friends...Monster has to be better be cause it costs more. I showed him my cable, told him the price, he was pretty speechless....
Now in regards to your advertising/marketing notion. Businesses are here for one reason, to make a profit. Consumers accept this, but when an item is sold beyond its fair market value (FMV) due to misguided marketing that draws customers in with no real relevance (a look at Monsters site and you will see no real spec significant detail about an items description) The terms they use to describe standard PE dielectric is like poetry, you have to read it twice to see if they are really talking about wire.....
Back to FMV, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Circuit City, they do not manufacture anything so they can not be compared to Monster Cable. Those companies sell at a level they believe they can sell products, usually slightly under MSRP which is dictated by the manufacture (Monster) If Monster sets the MSRP at $119, the chains have to follow MAP pricing in most cases, meaning they can not advertise that item for less then MAP. So you get a price between MAP and MSRP dictated by the Manufacture (Monster)
This goes with every other manufacture of an electronic item and even cars. Ford dealers all pay the same for a car, yet some get creative with incentives and such to make deals with you. Comparing cellular service with Monster cable again is ridiculous, most services are within a few dollars of each other, are they making money, sure. But I can talk on my cell for unlimited time for 2 months and have change left over from $120. Which would you buy air time or a 3 foot cable?
Fast food, if Monster Cables were Wendy's the $0.99 menu would be $4.99 That's the kind of over inflation they sell...
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