hey thanks for all you guys' help...i just wasnt sure if the bat y pipe eliminated the hideous 180 degree bend like the sho shop claims to do on their website...while we're on the topic of exhaust though (99 se MTX) do you have any input on weapon r headers vs. msds headers? and the corresponding y pipes...really im not sure if i should go ahead and get a y pipe with high flow cat or just get the headers/y pipe and use my own (random technology) cat into a custom cat back. thanks again