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Originally posted by LancasterSVT:
You know what, just stop right now. That is some pretty hardcore flamebait. I am sure the US will end up giving more then 35m regardless of what they say right now. I realize its not even close to the same magnitude, but I don't remember that much aid comming to use when we had lots of hurricane damage.
If you read some more you will find evidence to support how you feel.
From what I've read, the $35M was what was already allocated for relief, so they've given it all at this point.
Another fact is congress is NOT currently in session.
Yet another fact is congress, not the president, is responsible for spending, so until CONGRESS produces a bill, nothing can be spent.
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Article. I.
Section 1.
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section. 2.
Clause 1: The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
Clause 2: No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
Clause 3: Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. (See Note 2) The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.
Clause 4: When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
Clause 5: The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
Section. 3.
Clause 1: The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, (See Note 3) for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.
Clause 2: Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year; and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies. (See Note 4)
Clause 3: No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.
Clause 4: The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.
Clause 5: The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.
Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.
Clause 7: Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Section. 4.
Clause 1: The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.
Clause 2: The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, (See Note 5) unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.
Section. 5.
Clause 1: Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.
Clause 2: Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.
Clause 3: Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.
Clause 4: Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.
Section. 6.
Clause 1: The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. (See Note 6) They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, beprivileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.
Clause 2: No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.
Section. 7.
Clause 1: All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
Clause 2: Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Clause 3: Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Clause 2: To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
Clause 3: To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
Clause 4: To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
Clause 5: To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
Clause 6: To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
Clause 7: To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
Clause 8: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
Clause 9: To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
Clause 10: To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
Clause 11: To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
Clause 12: To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
Clause 13: To provide and maintain a Navy;
Clause 14: To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
Clause 15: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
Clause 16: To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
Clause 17: To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, byCession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And
Clause 18: To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
Section. 9.
Clause 1: The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.
Clause 2: The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
Clause 3: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken. (See Note 7)
Clause 5: No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
Clause 6: No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
Clause 7: No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Section. 10.
Clause 1: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.
Clause 2: No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.
Clause 3: No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
So Bush bashers, wake up and learn how your government really works instead of pointing ill informed fingers at folks. You really look silly when you don't know what you are talking about.
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Well, I'm not sure you needed to post the Constitution (nut your right, most people have no clue how the gov't actually works), but those were good responses. BTW, as I already explained in another thread, the $35m is CASH, not TOTAL AID. This is from this morning's USAToday, so really it's old news from Wed., but.... click ... "The United States has pledged $35 million to the relief effort, but that amount doesn't include military resources being poured into South Asia. "We're going to take this now to a whole new level," (Undersecretary of State) Grossman said. Six C-130 airplanes, each loaded with as much as 21 tons of food, water and other emergency supplies, flew to Thailand Wednesday. En route to South Asia: the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier group, equipped with 12 helicopters, and a Marine expeditionary force with seven ships and 25 helicopters. Also in use: nine P-3 Orions, sophisticated reconnaissance craft that are searching for survivors in remote areas. " Look for 1000s of American experts in medicine, recovery, and rebuilding to be in route very soon. Such an immense effort takes time.
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The thing to realize is that the there is a limit to how much relief the pipeline can handle (and only so much pipeline that can exist).
That said, I think it makes sense for the United States to make an initial pledge for a substantial amount of what can be delivered now. Then, when we have a better idea of what the needs are specifically, and the infrastructure is in place to deliver greater quantities of aid, act accordingly.
Also, the amount is only the government. The people of the United States are also donating millions more to disaster relief.
No matter what we do, nobody will be satisfied, so we might as well act in what we see as a prudent, measured manner to ensure the aid is delivered efficiently to those who need it.
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And how much have you contributed from your wallet to help out?
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I posted this link in the other thread but just in case there's some people that would rather do something to help out instead of whining about what our government isn't doing here: Put your money where your mouth is
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On another note I think it's commendable that the NFL is chipping in to help victims of this disaster out. I may not always like some of the things that go on in pro sports but the NFL is always there volunteerning and putting up money when things like this happens. May not seem like a lot of cash compared to what these teams make but at least they're doing something to help, very classy IMO. Quote:
NFL teams aid tsunami relief efforts
(Dec. 30, 2004) -- For the past several days, the people in Southeast Asia and east Africa have had to deal with the unthinkable. The tsunamis, which killed thousands upon thousands of people have left survivors with the daunting task of having to start over, many without food, shelter, or family.
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Like millions around the globe, the NFL and its teams share the grief of survivors and are pitching in to assist the relief efforts in areas affected by last weekend's disaster.
Here are some examples of how NFL teams are supporting the efforts:
On Sunday, the Seattle Seahawks will team with Northwest Medical Teams to collect monetary donations at all entrances at Sunday's game against the Atlanta Falcons. Donations from fans enable Northwest Medical Teams to send volunteers, medical supplies and support the efforts of local partners in the tsunami struck regions.
The Baltimore Ravens will donate $15,000 to the American Red Cross International Response Fund in support of the relief efforts, and will match up to an additional $10,000 of funds contributed by fans at this Sunday's game against the Miami Dolphins. Volunteers will be collecting money at entrances from 11 a.m.-1 p.m.
The New York Giants will partner with AmeriCares to conduct a monetary collection at Giants Stadium entrance gates prior to this Sunday's game against the Dallas Cowboys. Collected funds will be used by AmeriCares in their ongoing efforts to deliver antibiotics, analgesics, basic first aid supplies, and water treatment sachets to the tsunami-damaged areas of Sri Lanka, India and Indonesia.
To find out how you can help visit the United Way's South Asia Response Fund or InterAction. The United Way Fund supports long-term recovery efforts, while InterAction provides links to many aid agencies addressing short-term/immediate needs.
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losinmyself77: you heard about the tidal wave in sinapor
BiG Red Loves Ya: yeah
losinmyself77: that's so sad
BiG Red Loves Ya: not really
BiG Red Loves Ya: theyll be alrigth
losinmyself77: over 23ooo died
BiG Red Loves Ya: a small price to pay for american freedom
losinmyself77: what? talk about random
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Originally posted by DrGonzo:
Well, I'm not sure you needed to post the Constitution (nut your right, most people have no clue how the gov't actually works), but those were good responses.
I exercised restraint, I just post posted the 1st article 
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I have already pledged a donation online at www.oxfam.co.ukThe reason I used them is I am in Bahrain at the moment, and we are watching Sky News all the time, and its the web address that was shown on tv at the time as a place to make a donation. The donation figures for different countries below are in pounds sterling; 15 million from UK Govt 20 million from UK public (people donating from their own pockets 18 million from US 21 milliion from total EU govts.(including UK govt) I am not stating my opinions, but I can understand why the west was critisied in being stingy if you do the math in amount donated per head of population. EU included. I am Irish myself, and I am not at home, but would not be surprised if the Irish govt has not donated much themselves. I think that this event exceeded peoples expectations in terms of damage done and lives lost, and perhaps that might explain why the initial donations are not very representative on a per head of population. I think as time progresses and more is learnt, the level of donations will rise hopefully enough to help these people. I know that you get hurricanes in the US, but this is on another level altogether. When was the last time over 100k people were killed anywhere in the world from a natural diaster? This link poped up while I was typing this post. Look at the satelite photos. http://drudgereport.com/
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Great argument Tony! Validating your points, and demonstrating just how much the US gives compared to other nations - even on a per capita basis - very good info.
To all, Last night Colin Powell was an ABC's nightline with George Stephanopolous. I'll try not to let bias and support of Poweel enter into this, but the initial $35MM is just that. An initial contribution from the US. Our aid and relief efforts, at the end of the day, will far exceed most other nations, perhaps all if measured on a weighted or per capita scale. This is my OPINION, I could be wrong, but I think I'll be proved right in 18 months time.
RIP to those who perished, and my God's (or whatever you have faith in) grace help those who have suffered so very much.
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