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Originally posted by chill1110:
1) I was doing this thread a favor as talking bout Farve and Manning is boring. Neither of the teams are as good as the Steelers so y not start talking about something more worth while like playoff contenders....which is where this thread went, which was an improvement.
You added nothing worthwhile aside from being a Steelers slappy.
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2) I was correcting others posted stats b/c they WERE WRONG
And you corrected them by quoting INCORRECT STATS. If you are going to correct them, at least make an attempt to make them right.
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3) Pats defense isn't a widely known good one. LOOK at all the stats i've posted EVEN the ones you did. C'mon man the Pats defense isn't close to touching the Steelers..give it up
I don't know when you decided to jump on the NFL bandwagon, but I suppose it was after the Steelers started winning this year. But if you had watched any ESPN or Fox sports NFL preview or review of last years championship season, you would have seen people referring to the Patriots as having of the best defenses in the league. Their offense isn't spectacular, it's been their defense that has won it for them.
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4) Thank you for pointing out that Im RIGHT again by posting your stat #'s. I love how you make a statement like "having one of the top defenses in the NFL with the most depth" then prove urself wrong by putting up stats lol. Out of the 6 categories you posted, Steelers are better in 4 of them. as well as many other teams being better then the Pats in the same categories. Not to mention the Steelers have a better record at 14-1 (oh wait thats the best record in the ENTIRE NFL too)
Shall we talk about the factors that go into this? Pittburgh played teams with a combined record much poorer than NE opponents. They had the luxury of playing the Browns a couple of times to pad both offensive and defensive stats.
Maybe you don't understand that while your team is running the ball, the other team is not possessing the ball and therefore the defense is not on the field. NE defense went up against nearly 100 more offensive plays. So, if you want to go by total yardage, perhaps yards per play is more indicative or a quality defense as it takes the offense out of the equation. In which case, the steelers give up 4.7 yards per play compared to NE 5.0.
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5) we already talked about pts/game and how its not a as clear representation of how good a defense is.  Ask ESPN why they look at yrds/gamn given up to calculate "best overall" D. which AGAIN is the Steelers. Catch up on the thread buddy.
6) The teams are not evenly matched. Steelers are better in almost every category, plus a better record, plus already beaten the Pats...but again I keep rehashing.
Yes, the beat NE when the Patriots didn't have their number 1 offensive weapon. They are slightly better in rushing yards per game, drastically worse than the pats passing attack (actually, they rank near dead last in passing).
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7) Ya already discussed this too....might want to check back where we talked about the schedules...Steelers playing two undefeated teams AND BEATING THEM. Cant say that for the Pats. plus the other opponets etc. etc. etc. you can read back on it b/c i dont feel like re-typing for those who cant read b4 posting. Quit riding on the excuse about having a starter out when you played the Steelers. Take a look at the Steelers injuries this season. How many starters did they lose? Casey Hampton for one (the core of the Steelers D line out for the season), Kendrel Bell a great line-backer when healthy, Staley out for what like 5 games now, Burress was out for four, plus many others. Yet we still know how to put up the W's. Quit making excuses with your teams already.
I'm not making any excuses for my teams, just trying to clear up your steeler fanboism. You say the Pats defense isn't known as being good, but if you talk to ANYONE that actually knows about the NFL, they will disagree with you 100%. The Steelers are better in some ways this year, but because they gave up 40 fewer yards per contest by playing weaker teams, doesn't make them clearly the best. Besides, missing a defensive player isn't nearly as big of a loss as losing a starting RB.
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8) as ive stated the Steelers are the superior team in the NFL, No other team in the NFL has the same amount of stats ranked as high as the Steelers. Including the Bills. Ohhh Bills have won 6 straight games...guess you forgot about the Steelers winnning 12 straight. Numbers dont lie. Time to face the music, and buy a terrible towl. It isnt to late to jump on the band wagon. 
The Steelers have the best regular season record, i'll give you that.
If you want to choke yourself on your teams collective schlongs, so be it, but at least make some sense in your arguments. I read all of your comments, most of which corrected stats with more incorrect stats. I did read that you think because Pittsburgh beat two undefeated teams, they had a tougher schedule.
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-Big Ben has no perfect games
-Steelers have among the worst passing attacks in the NFL
-Steelers have second best rushing attack
-steelers allow the fewest yards per game
-NE has an outstanding defense is known league wide as having one
-NE played a much tougher schedule (I would qualify 15 games better as MUCH tougher)
-Pittsburgh beat NE without NE having a running game.
-NE is still the world champion
-IT's still too early to call any team the best in the NFL at this point.
-I will go make a new thread for you so you don't ruin this one further than you already have.
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Aw, c'mon Dave, fix your quotes! Oh yeah, and Chill.. 
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Originally posted by chill1110:
I don't need to repeat everything any more. The proof is in the pudding. Steelers are the best team period. Every one else better tighten up their jocks b/c your in for some serious smash mouth football when you come to the Burgh. Its been said many times especially this year "Steelers are the most physical team in the NFL" hmmm that plus everything else i've said, wonder why Steelers are #1. 
One for the thumb
The only people who better tighten up their jocks is the steelers players, unless they want you to felate them.
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Combined record of Steelers opponents without Philly and NE:
79-116
Combined record of NE without Steelers:
103-107
So, outside of those two games, the steelers have played teams with a combined record almost 40 games under .500.
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Originally posted by mbTDI:
Aw, c'mon Dave, fix your quotes!
Oh yeah, and Chill..
dammn sucks to be you chill! 
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Originally posted by dnewma04:
Originally posted by chill1110:
1) I was doing this thread a favor as talking bout Farve and Manning is boring. Neither of the teams are as good as the Steelers so y not start talking about something more worth while like playoff contenders....which is where this thread went, which was an improvement.
You added nothing worthwhile aside from being a Steelers slappy.
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2) I was correcting others posted stats b/c they WERE WRONG
And you corrected them by quoting INCORRECT STATS. If you are going to correct them, at least make an attempt to make them right.
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3) Pats defense isn't a widely known good one. LOOK at all the stats i've posted EVEN the ones you did. C'mon man the Pats defense isn't close to touching the Steelers..give it up
I don't know when you decided to jump on the NFL bandwagon, but I suppose it was after the Steelers started winning this year. But if you had watched any ESPN or Fox sports NFL preview or review of last years championship season, you would have seen people referring to the Patriots as having of the best defenses in the league. Their offense isn't spectacular, it's been their defense that has won it for them.
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4) Thank you for pointing out that Im RIGHT again by posting your stat #'s. I love how you make a statement like "having one of the top defenses in the NFL with the most depth" then prove urself wrong by putting up stats lol. Out of the 6 categories you posted, Steelers are better in 4 of them. as well as many other teams being better then the Pats in the same categories. Not to mention the Steelers have a better record at 14-1 (oh wait thats the best record in the ENTIRE NFL too)
Shall we talk about the factors that go into this? Pittburgh played teams with a combined record much poorer than NE opponents. They had the luxury of playing the Browns a couple of times to pad both offensive and defensive stats.
Maybe you don't understand that while your team is running the ball, the other team is not possessing the ball and therefore the defense is not on the field. NE defense went up against nearly 100 more offensive plays. So, if you want to go by total yardage, perhaps yards per play is more indicative or a quality defense as it takes the offense out of the equation. In which case, the steelers give up 4.7 yards per play compared to NE 5.0.
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5) we already talked about pts/game and how its not a as clear representation of how good a defense is. Ask ESPN why they look at yrds/gamn given up to calculate "best overall" D. which AGAIN is the Steelers. Catch up on the thread buddy.
6) The teams are not evenly matched. Steelers are better in almost every category, plus a better record, plus already beaten the Pats...but again I keep rehashing.
Yes, the beat NE when the Patriots didn't have their number 1 offensive weapon. They are slightly better in rushing yards per game, drastically worse than the pats passing attack (actually, they rank near dead last in passing).
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7) Ya already discussed this too....might want to check back where we talked about the schedules...Steelers playing two undefeated teams AND BEATING THEM. Cant say that for the Pats. plus the other opponets etc. etc. etc. you can read back on it b/c i dont feel like re-typing for those who cant read b4 posting. Quit riding on the excuse about having a starter out when you played the Steelers. Take a look at the Steelers injuries this season. How many starters did they lose? Casey Hampton for one (the core of the Steelers D line out for the season), Kendrel Bell a great line-backer when healthy, Staley out for what like 5 games now, Burress was out for four, plus many others. Yet we still know how to put up the W's. Quit making excuses with your teams already.
I'm not making any excuses for my teams, just trying to clear up your steeler fanboism. You say the Pats defense isn't known as being good, but if you talk to ANYONE that actually knows about the NFL, they will disagree with you 100%. The Steelers are better in some ways this year, but because they gave up 40 fewer yards per contest by playing weaker teams, doesn't make them clearly the best. Besides, missing a defensive player isn't nearly as big of a loss as losing a starting RB.
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8) as ive stated the Steelers are the superior team in the NFL, No other team in the NFL has the same amount of stats ranked as high as the Steelers. Including the Bills. Ohhh Bills have won 6 straight games...guess you forgot about the Steelers winnning 12 straight. Numbers dont lie. Time to face the music, and buy a terrible towl. It isnt to late to jump on the band wagon.
The Steelers have the best regular season record, i'll give you that.
If you want to choke yourself on your teams collective schlongs, so be it, but at least make some sense in your arguments. I read all of your comments, most of which corrected stats with more incorrect stats. I did read that you think because Pittsburgh beat two undefeated teams, they had a tougher schedule.
to recap:
-Big Ben has no perfect games
-Steelers have among the worst passing attacks in the NFL
-Steelers have second best rushing attack
-steelers allow the fewest yards per game
-NE has an outstanding defense is known league wide as having one
-NE played a much tougher schedule (I would qualify 15 games better as MUCH tougher)
-Pittsburgh beat NE without NE having a running game.
-NE is still the world champion
-IT's still too early to call any team the best in the NFL at this point.
-I will go make a new thread for you so you don't ruin this one further than you already have.
Whos ignorant?? ive been stating the facts (backed up w/ stats) that PROVE Steelers are better than the PATS or ANY other team...Your ignorant for not listening the past 20+ posts.
I DID correct their mis marked stats. Where have you been? Read back like 10 posts
LOL your talking about last years championship review saying thee Pats had the best D...when were we ever talkin about last years D. wow this is humerous hahaha
OMG the schedule thing again....did the Pats play two undefeated teams and drag them all over the field? that more than makes up for playing playing the Browns twice
you mention how when the Steelers are running the ball the other teams offense isnt on the field...NO CRAP! ITS CALLED CLOCK MANAGEMENT AND CONTROLLING THE GAME. apparently you need to take football 101. Its b/c the Steelers run game IS so good that this happens and NO yards/game is the most accurate form of ranking D...THATS WHY THE STATISTICIANS USE IT in using your unaprpritae method "the steelers give up 4.7 yards per play compared to NE 5.0. " thanks you show again how the steelers are better than the Pats ...man do you ever learn?
And here you go again talking ABOUT 1 missing starter...I JUST POSTED HOW MANY STARTERS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL THE STEELERS HAVE OUT AND THEY STILL ARE THE BEST. quit w/ the excuses!
I didnt say the Pats D isnt good...i said the Steelers is better and is the best WHICH IT IS
to recap:
-Big Ben HAD A 158.0 game...has anyone else as a rookie? ya didnt think so.
-Steelers have a phenom rookie QB that has already proved his comeback ability and composure. HE HOLDS A RECORD FOR MOST CONSCUTIVE WINS EVER AS A ROOK.
-Steelers have second best rushing attack
-steelers allow the fewest yards per game
-NE has an mediocre defense that is no where near the caliber of the Steelers and is known league wide
-NE has not played a tougher schedule....been discussed
-Pittsburgh beat the Pats and won the game in the 1st quater alone
-steelrs ARE the best team in the NFL. LOOK AT THE RECORD AND STATS!
I love how truth hurts. You guys are such babies. The record alone states who the best team is. I don't even have to go into all the stats AGAIN. When you guys can come back w/ some worth while statements and FACTS to back up your highly opinionated views then i'll listen.
No wait I'll listen when your team actually IS better on and off paper.
YOU ALL ARE OWNED...numbers speak volumes...gotta love being from the city w/ the best team in football...its a sad day in NE.
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I'll break it down into even simpler terms so you can understand.
If you think the Pats defense is mediocre, you don't know football.
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Originally posted by mbTDI:
PEYTON F'ING MANNING
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Originally posted by chill1110:
The record alone states who the best team is.
Wrong.
It's whoever wins the Super Bowl. Does anyone actually remember (or talk about for that matter) who had the best record each year?
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However yards/game given up is a better representation of how good the defense is.....not pts/game.
Wrong again.
Ask any NFL analyst which defense they would rather have:
a) gives up the fewest yards per game
b) gives up the fewest points per game
I would bet money at least 9/10 would say the defense that gives up the fewest points per game. Many analysts have said it time and time again - yards p/ game is not a good representation and points per game is better.
It's simple:
The less the other teams score, the less your offense has to score to win.
What defense would you rather have?
a) gives up 400 yds p/ game and 14 pts p/ game
b) gives up 200 yds p/ game and 21 pts p/ game
Originally posted by chill1110:
YOU ALL ARE OWNED...numbers speak volumes...
Wrong again.
1. Every game goes way beyond the numbers whether it's football, baseball, basketball, etc.
Numbers mean nothing if you can't win. In this case of defense in the NFL - Washington, Tampa Bay, Miami.
2. It depends on what division you play in.
Play in the weak NFC vs AFC for example. AFC top to bottom is way better than the NFC. The better teams in the NFC have an easier schedule than the teams in the AFC.
3. It depends on your offense, too
If your offense can't score points, can't control the clock, can't get good field position for the defense, etc., a great defense means nothing. Again, Washington, Tampa Bay, Miami.
4. Most people know that statistics are misleading.
Since "numbers speak volumes" let me educate you and correct your rant:
Your arguement of "yards per game is better"
1. Pit 14-1
2. Was 5-10
3. Buf 9-6
4. Den 9-6
5. TB 5-10
6. NYJ 10-6
7. Bal 8-7
8. Mia 4-11
9. NE 13-2
10. Phi 13-2
Total combined record: 90-61
3 teams w/ losing records in the top 10 of yds p/ game.
2 teams w/losing records in the top 5 of yds p/ game.
Points per game:
1. Phi 13-2
2. Pit 14-1
3. NYJ 10-6
4. Bal 8-7
5. Was 5-10
6. NE 13-2
7. Buf 9-6
8. Jax 8-7
9. Den 9-6
10. TB 5-10
Total combined record: 94-57
2 teams w/ losing records in the top 10 of yds p/ game.
1 teams w/losing records in the top 5 of yds p/ game.
Hmmm...your "numbers" theory doesn't even support your own argument.
Teams and players are judged by Super Bowl victories, not numbers.
Before you spout off again calling people dumbasses and babies:
1. get your facts right
(I didn't even bother correcting your incorrect statistics)
2. support your arguement with data that supports it and doesn't shoot it down
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Originally posted by SVT PETE:
1. Every game goes way beyond the numbers whether it's football, baseball, basketball, etc.
Numbers mean nothing if you can't win.
Mr. Steelers fan here doesnt get that point, numbers don't mean jack!! Prime example, when the pats beat the rams in superbowl. Odds were against us, I had no hope, we were on our 2nd string QB, and look what happened
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