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Originally posted by sigma:
The intake svtcarboy is referring to is not just an intake. It's also a piggyback that alters your A/F ratios (known as a "MAF Customizer") to produce significant amounts of power. And yes, it does dyno at 200whp -- an increase of 22whp over stock. Not Peak Gain. Gain across the entire curve. And this has been dyno'd multiple times.
How much is the CP-E mod? So if I add an Injen intake and do a CPU reflash to change A/F ratios then I will accomplish the same thing, and many other Alty SE owners have done just that, and 5-speed models are dyno'ing well over 220whp after having done so. And thank you for proving my point, that even after doing the CP-E mod, you're dyno'ing less than a stock SE 5-speed model Altima does. The cars weigh almost exactly the same (~3250 lbs). Also, the Alty has a considerable TQ advantage, 250 ft/lbs over 192 ft/lbs. That is huge. My point here is that I believe the 6s is a really nice car, but performance-wise the Alty is in a different league stock to stock, and mod to mod. There are many Alty's running solid 13's with basic I/E/H mods. The advantage of the Alty is that is uses a detuned version of the now 298HP VQ series in the 05 G35's and the 287HP VQ series in the 350Z. All we have to do is change the tune and we're up around those numbers N/A. I don't see any better tuned versions of the same 3.0L Duratec runnings some 50 HP greater that you can easily mod up to, and believe me I wish this was the case as it would give the Mazda/Ford folks a lot more to play with. 
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We all know that the 3.0L Duratec has a lot of potential, and one of the biggest areas of gain is the piss-poor A/F ratio.
I'd state that any engine has potential if you know what you're doing. The biggest advantage the VQ series folks have is that the potential has already been proven by the manufacturer in higher end model cars and extracting this potential is relatively easy in the Alty series cars as a result. That is a considerable advantage IMHO.
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The intake came out too late in the year for people to go to a track to get track times. But seeing as how I could run a 14.7 with just an Injen that was only doing an average of 7whp across the powerband, I can imagine the CP-E will easily push the Mazda6 into 14.4 territory.
And the same mods push the Alty into the 13's.
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Of course anyone will agree with that statement. The argument is that you can save yourself $4000 by buying the Mazda6 -- more than that if you're talking about an SE-R. You can use a small fraction of that money and bring yourself up to the Altima in terms of power.
You can buy a similarly equipped Alty for 21k OTD if you know how to negotiate and given the Alty currently has a 1500 rebate, all the easier, though I'm not sure if the Mazda 6 also has rebates available right now? Generally though, I'd agree you should be able to negotiate a lower price on a 6 verses an Alty by a couple grand.
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And, no, that's not the same argument as "I can put a turbo in my Neon and outrun a Corvette and save $25,000" because those cars aren't comparable. The Altima and Mazda6 are, aside from power otherwise very comparable cars (to most people, there are numerous other reasons why I wouldn't buy the Altima).
Understood and agreed, and to each his own. I lease my cars and the lease payment on my SE-R wasn't much different than the 6s lease payments so it wasn't a hard decision for me.
Last edited by cjbaldw; 12/24/04 06:59 PM.
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