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Originally posted by Kokopellian:

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Driver's being equal, the CSVT would win

Hmmm, you know I now have the same setup Pete was running right?

I know, I own a MSP remember? And it can beat the CSVT and the 6s in AutoX.

Never said it sucks, it's just not the ideal handling car. Your friend can obviously drive very well.

You said STOCK SE, so more body roll is a given. I know the principles of AutoX and it is indeed fun and challenging, however, suspension matters, and the CSVT has it over a 6s.

Understood, like I said, I know the principles and I've done AutoX a few times in the past. However, not in my CSVT or FSVT. But from what I know and remember and what I know about the 6s, I can make my judgements.

As I've said time and time again, whether it's stock or a modded CSVT, I would put it up against a 6s in AutoX. I may not have raced my CSVT against a 6s or any car for that matter in AutoX, but that doesn't mean that I don't know either cars capabilities. Especially after having driven both.

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Maybe. I think it would be a lot closer than both you and pete seem to think it will be.

Lets see that would be Koni's with GC's and 19"X? rims with err I forget the tire size. You have the same sway bar also? In AutoX bigger is not always better with tires. Because you have more rotational mass on the outer edge of your tire your car has to work more to accelerate the mass.

Yes I know you know that was responding to pete. And yeah I think that will beat both of them in AutoX. Actually I think the MSP was called the best handleing FWD sedan in SCC? or some other mag when it came out.

The CSVT is not the "ideal handling car" either as I am sure you have noticed and yes he drives the boat very well.

I never mentioned anything about body roll My car had so much body roll that my GF had to hang on to the Ohh [censored] handle to keep from sliding into the shifter around turns. I was talking about oversteer. Something you dont get much of on any stock car but depending on conditions can get if you work it right.

You make yours I'll make mine.

Based on what I can think of that you have done to your car(john not pete) I think you are in the STS class. The same class I was running and the mazda 6 guy was running.

I would love to put them out there in both forms and see how they do.

Depending on the course the 6i can actually be a better AutoX car than the 6s because it had a lighter engine so it has less weight in the nose and can handle the turns better.