Originally posted by moxnix:
Well there is not a chance in hell that the 6 will get trounced in AutoX by the CSVT when fully modded for the same class. Driver's being equal, the CSVT would win In stock class the both get owned by the Mini Cooper S and the Celica GT. That's a given

I did not say it would kill all SVT's I said they would kill Kokopellian and his car. Hmmm, you know I now have the same setup Pete was running right?

If the CSVT is suprising people than the Mazda 6 must be suprising even more. I know my contour suprised many people out there. Mazda 6s aren't anywhere as rare as CSVTs, so more suprise factor there anyway. Yeah, your Tour suprised people as Tours weren't known for their handling capabilities.

Mazda has been known for making underpowered cars with very good handeling. I know, I own a MSP remember? And it can beat the CSVT and the 6s in AutoX.

Pete if the CSVT is so good I want to see you out there in the spring. Once you start beating a few of the local Mazda 6 drivers that I am talking about I will belive you. Like I said before, if you've ever ridden in Pete's car, you'd know what I'm talking about.

If the CSVT is so great for AutoX you would see a lot more people on the SCCAForums that have them. CSVTs are rare, bottom line, you'll NEVER see many, even in AutoX.

If the 6 sucks so much I would love to know how one of the local 6 drivers managed to place 4th overall in the local SCCA AutoX season (STS class). Never said it sucks, it's just not the ideal handling car. Your friend can obviously drive very well.

Kokopellian: depending on the turn I have had my stock SE doing the same thing on the AutoX course. On the last local open SCCA event of this year the course seemed to be setup for massive oversteer and I was oversteering thru almost the whole course. You said STOCK SE, so more body roll is a given. I know the principles of AutoX and it is indeed fun and challenging, however, suspension matters, and the CSVT has it over a 6s.

Also how many modded 6's have you seen? I saw many of them this year. A lot, since I've been down here in TX, I've seen 7. A local guy has springs on his 6s and by his own admission my CSVT and FSVT for that matter would out handle his.

Sometimes in AutoX you have to take one turn what may look wide to get a better line on the next turn or to carry more speed thru the turn. Ask anybody that does AutoX. It is not always getting as close as you can to the cones that will get you the fastest times. Understood, like I said, I know the principles and I've done AutoX a few times in the past. However, not in my CSVT or FSVT. But from what I know and remember and what I know about the 6s, I can make my judgements.

I find it strange that you guys want to bench race the CSVT against the Mazda 6s in AutoX when you dont even AutoX.

As I've said time and time again, whether it's stock or a modded CSVT, I would put it up against a 6s in AutoX. I may not have raced my CSVT against a 6s or any car for that matter in AutoX, but that doesn't mean that I don't know either cars capabilities. Especially after having driven both.

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