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Originally posted by SVT PETE:

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Sorry Shawn, but you are wrong primarily due to one statement you made:

Originally posted by moxnix:

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I know of a few other 6s drivers and even one 6i driver that would kill your car in AutoX.

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Not a chance in hell the CSVT gets "killed". That's a ridiculous statement when it's proven that CSVTs are surprising people and regularly competing with and beating cars that cost $10k+ more, and cars that are supposed to be so great at AutoX.

That video was lame. There is no basis for comparison. See above statement again.

I've driven the 6 and IMO in stock form:
Acceleration: 6 - slightly
Handling: CSVT - hands down, no contest
Braking: couldn't really do much w/ the lame salesman in there
Shifting: CSVT, easily. Clutch and shifting are more driver friendly than the 6.
Driver visibility: CSVT

So you're telling me that a car that barely out-accelerates a CSVT, but lacks in every other department is going to "kill" a CSVT? For a interesting discussion, why don't you post that in General Discussion to see what everyone else thinks?

The 6 in my eyes can be an upgrade when modified to handle like something other than a boat. By today's standards of new cars, the 6 is severely underpowered and handles very poorly - reminds me of a A4. That being said and considering how much a loaded 6 goes for ( ), I'd rather buy a blown SVT, drop in a 3 liter with all the goodies and pocket the $15+k.

I understand you have "Mazda Fever" now, but I did not realize you were literally blinded by it to make such ridiculous statements! Don't be bitter your Contour died. It's not the car's fault that you neglected it so badly!

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Well there is not a chance in hell that the 6 will get trounced in AutoX by the CSVT when fully modded for the same class. In stock class the both get owned by the Mini Cooper S and the Celica GT.

I did not say it would kill all SVT's I said they would kill Kokopellian and his car.

I dont know if this will help you but this is part of my video from the same event (GF is bad about starting taping at right time)

http://www.moxnix.org/Car/AutoX/Vid/Crossroads%20Autox/Moxnix%20run%201.mpg

Here is my times VS his times on that course.
4. 327 Bill Kratz 2003 Grey Mazda 6 63.190(1) 61.089(1) 59.824
8. 222 Shawn Roberts 2000 Silver Ford Contour 63.129 62.067 O.C.

If the CSVT is suprising people than the Mazda 6 must be suprising even more. I know my contour suprised many people out there.

Mazda has been known for making underpowered cars with very good handeling.

Pete if the CSVT is so good I want to see you out there in the spring. Once you start beating a few of the local Mazda 6 drivers that I am talking about I will belive you.

For AutoX you dont get the loaded 6.

If the CSVT is so great for AutoX you would see a lot more people on the SCCAForums that have them.

If the 6 sucks so much I would love to know how one of the local 6 drivers managed to place 4th overall in the local SCCA AutoX season (STS class).

I am an equal Opportunity defender. I defend the contour at the local 6/Protege club meets. There is actually one local guy that sold his speed and bought an CSVT because he wanted something cheap that still handles good and had seen my car at AutoX.

I dont know enough about the 3 to defend it yet I am sorry to say.

I dont have mazda fever I just defend cars that are not around to stick up for themselfs if they are ones I know about.

I am not bitter about my contour dieing. I liked the car and the way it handled. I ran my car hard but I took good care of the engine(washing is not needed maint). I am not sure where you got that I neglected my car but I dont think I did. I put lots of miles on my car and have no problems with how many miles I got out of the engine. If I had not had the accident and the dented doors I most likely would have looked very hard into the 3L swap even with it dropping me into SM class.

Kokopellian: depending on the turn I have had my stock SE doing the same thing on the AutoX course. On the last local open SCCA event of this year the course seemed to be setup for massive oversteer and I was oversteering thru almost the whole course.

Again The 6 Driver VS my times(again STS class).
*2. 650 William Kratz 2003 Grey Mazda 6 58.921 57.758 57.454 57.929

14. 640 Shawn Roberts 2000 Silver Ford Contour 63.069 61.758 61.175 60.688

Also how many modded 6's have you seen? I saw many of them this year.

Sometimes in AutoX you have to take one turn what may look wide to get a better line on the next turn or to carry more speed thru the turn. Ask anybody that does AutoX. It is not always getting as close as you can to the cones that will get you the fastest times.

I find it strange that you guys want to bench race the CSVT against the Mazda 6s in AutoX when you dont even AutoX.